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12:01:41 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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12:01:57 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool
12:02:36 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
12:02:42 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:03:41 <McCool> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#4_May_2022
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12:07:42 <dape> ack dape
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12:09:46 <sebastian> topic: guests
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12:09:51 <kaz> present+ Erich_Barnstedt
12:10:00 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
12:10:06 <sebastian> MM: we have a guest, Erich Barnstedt from Microsoft
12:10:51 <kaz> i/guests/Daniel asks about the automatic captioning feature of WebEx, and Kaz will save the captions as backup this time./
12:11:41 <sebastian> Erich: I lead standards and consortium at Microsoft. I'm with Microsoft for 19 years
12:12:40 <kaz> i|we have a|-> https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20200915/ W3C Patent Policy 2020 for IG|
12:12:47 <sebastian> ... I'm interested in WoT to align DTDL and WoT
12:12:56 <kaz> i|we have a|-> https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20170801/ W3C Patent Policy 2017 for WG|
12:13:06 <sebastian> topic: Minutes
12:13:48 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/2022/04/27-wot-minutes.html
12:14:55 <sebastian> any change requests, objections?
12:15:00 <sebastian> no
12:15:36 <sebastian> topic: quick updates
12:16:03 <sebastian> MM: no cancellations so far
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12:16:30 <sebastian> ... are there any cancellations in next time?
12:16:37 <sebastian> ... seems not the case
12:17:18 <sebastian> topic: Microsoft cooperation
12:17:49 <sebastian> Erich: we will join the WG soon, expecting no pushback
12:18:22 <McCool> https://github.com/digitaltwinconsortium
12:18:39 <McCool> https://github.com/digitaltwinconsortium/ManufacturingDTDLOntologies
12:18:40 <sebastian> ... I'm also involved in Digital Twin Consortium
12:18:57 <McCool> https://github.com/digitaltwinconsortium/ManufacturingDTDLOntologies/blob/main/Models/Station.json
12:19:23 <sebastian> ... I saw presentation from Sebastian about OPC UA Binding for WoT. I had a similar idea with DTDL
12:20:23 <sebastian> ... I lead the group called UA cloud library
12:20:56 <sebastian> ... in DTDL there are difference between model and instane
12:21:09 <sebastian> s/instane/instance
12:21:36 <sebastian> <Erich explains the linked json example>
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12:22:13 <sebastian> MM: we currently setting-up formal collaboration with OPCF
12:23:21 <kaz> q+
12:24:04 <sebastian> ... we discuss currently the claims
12:24:44 <sebastian> ... we are currently at the end of our current charter and do plans for the next charter
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12:25:14 <kaz> q- later
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12:28:08 <sebastian> Erich: another point is tooling that I have. Transforming DTDL to WoT and vice versa
12:28:32 <sebastian> MM: we planing a TestFest for July
12:28:59 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1020
12:29:01 <sebastian> ... a prototype for there would be great
12:30:03 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1020||
12:30:19 <sebastian> MM: for OPC UA we have an markdown and collecting objectives
12:30:28 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1020 wot PR 1020 - Technical Objectives and Requirements for OPC UA/WoT Binding|
12:30:37 <kaz> s/OPC UA/OPC UA liaison/
12:30:46 <kaz> s/liaison/liaison,/
12:31:08 <sebastian> Erich: yes, I think we can make improvements in the context of interoperability here
12:31:21 <McCool> q?
12:31:21 <Ege> q?
12:31:25 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:31:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:31:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/04-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:32:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:32:32 <McCool> ack seb
12:32:43 <kaz> chair: McCool/sebastian
12:32:45 <kaz> ack ml
12:33:09 <sebastian> I just organizing a joint meeting with OPCF and W3C WoT members. I keep you in the loop.
12:33:29 <kaz> s/I just/sk: I'm/
12:34:43 <sebastian> ML: would be cool to involve you in the Profile discussion.
12:34:57 <kaz> q?
12:35:30 <sebastian> Erich: onboarding at Microsoft usually takes 2-3 weeks
12:36:43 <sebastian> Kaz: we can talk about the W3C procedure offline
12:37:17 <sebastian> <MM explains the WoT meetings and the TFs>
12:39:08 <kaz> s/we can talk about the W3C procedure offline/in summary, we'd like you to join our WoT standardization discussion (e.g., on Use Cases, Profiles, Plugfest demos) directly as a representative from Microsoft as a W3C Member, and it would require some specific procedure. We can talk about the detail of the procedure offline.//
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12:40:31 <sebastian> ML: we have the IG Use call, it would be great to invite Erich  to introduce DTDL
12:40:42 <mjk> q?
12:40:44 <sebastian> s/Use/Use Case
12:41:19 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/WoT/activities/task-forces/
12:41:39 <sebastian> topic: schedule changes
12:42:35 <sebastian> MM: suggestion to suspend the Use Call till one month before TestFest event
12:42:37 <kaz> i/schedule/kaz: let's have some more discussion about how to proceed offline, e.g., by email and possibly a separate call with Erich./
12:42:58 <sebastian> ... what do you think about this?
12:43:36 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Use_Case_Review
12:43:48 <kaz> ack k
12:44:02 <kaz> s/Use Call/Use Case Call/
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12:45:24 <sebastian> ML: everyone is busy, doing spec documents done etc., that was the motivation to suspend. However due to the new Microsoft involvment we should use one of the next calls to have the DTDL introduction
12:47:51 <kaz> q+
12:48:35 <sebastian> ML: another proposal would be a monthly shedule and if there not topics we can cancel it
12:49:41 <sebastian> MM: we can move editor call to the use case call
12:50:15 <sebastian> Kaz: how about having DTDL presentation during main call?
12:51:37 <kaz> s/during main/during the main/
12:53:12 <sebastian> MM: we can have DTDL during main call (next week or later) for 20 min. Discussion about requirements we can do during the use case call.
12:53:34 <kaz> s/call?/call? also we should continue to include the use case coverage discussion during the Editors calls./
12:53:59 <sebastian> topic: wide review
12:54:18 <sebastian> MM: we have almost done all review requests
12:54:56 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Wide_Review
12:54:59 <kaz> s/move editor call to the use case call/use the use case call's slot for the editors call, and possibly have those calls alternatively bi-weekly./
12:55:50 <sebastian> ... Discovery is still in WIP, explainer not done yet
12:57:08 <sebastian> ... TAG is largely happy with current status, however, waiting until Arch is ready
12:57:59 <sebastian> ... there is an email about accessability
12:58:06 <kaz> q?
12:58:08 <kaz> ack k
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12:58:31 <sebastian> ... already respond in the public mailing list
12:59:34 <sebastian> ML: for what we are waiting for Arch?
13:00:14 <kaz> q?
13:00:17 <sebastian> MM: we need just to review the issue. If everything is ok, when can submit it
13:01:58 <sebastian> <MM goes quickly over the agenda>
13:02:12 <sebastian> adjourn
13:02:54 <kaz> i/adjourn/kaz: note that Michael Cooper mentioned on GitHub that they might have been going to give some more comments./
13:11:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:19:46 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/294
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