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12:40:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:40:07 <trackbot> Date: 04 May 2022
12:41:21 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:41:24 <jasonjgw> present+
12:42:03 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
12:42:03 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.
12:42:03 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of collaboration tools - scope of possible work.
12:42:03 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
12:42:06 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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13:01:50 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:01:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:01:56 <scott_h> present+
13:02:19 <janina> present+
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13:03:27 <Joshue108_> Scribe: Joshue108
13:03:33 <Joshue108_> present+
13:03:43 <Joshue108_> agenda?
13:04:15 <Joshue108_> <Discussion of logistics>
13:04:44 <Joshue108_> JW: We have re organised this around the theme of legacy vs state of the art
13:05:05 <Joshue108_> JW: Lionel is looking into things also
13:05:18 <Joshue108_> JW: Lets discuss co-ordination etc as we look into the doc
13:05:27 <Joshue108_> JS: We tend to co-ordinate
13:05:31 <Joshue108_> q?
13:05:57 <Joshue108_> JS: We may have a story in the Washington times!
13:06:19 <Joshue108_> J: I did talk with Manu Sporny - and there are things moving 6-9 months
13:06:40 <Joshue108_> Still talking to Cloudflare about zero knowledge proofs as a CAPTCHA killer
13:06:53 <Joshue108_> A la Verifiable credentials amongst other things
13:07:37 <Joshue108_> JW: In my understanding - based on used cases on Verifable credentials - someone could assert their ID without presenting various artifacts
13:08:09 <Joshue108_> JS: <Give a walk into the bar use case example>
13:08:21 <Joshue108_> JW: We should continue to work on it - likely a new section
13:08:42 <Joshue108_> JW: Whats the thinking on heartbeat drafts?
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13:08:58 <Joshue108_> JS: Would like to have more updating - we have started - need to adjust some text.
13:09:00 <Judy> q+
13:09:42 <Joshue108_> Some context andn explanation needed
13:10:31 <Joshue108_> zakim, clear queue
13:10:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'clear queue', Joshue108_
13:10:39 <Joshue108_> ack jud
13:11:50 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:11:50 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Accessibility of Remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:12:20 <Joshue108_> JW: A11y of remote meetings - we have closed open issues and arrangement with Education and Outreach
13:12:45 <Joshue108_> They will review draft - not received consensus
13:13:09 <Joshue108_> Messaging to be updated - and needs more review
13:13:19 <Joshue108_> We need to work out dates - should we proceed to publish?
13:13:39 <Joshue108_> JS: Michael, when is Roy back?
13:13:43 <Joshue108_> MC: Friday
13:14:09 <Joshue108_> JS: I think we can expect to publish an updated wide review draft - Roy could easily help with many of the little thingss
13:14:24 <Joshue108_> Shawn is also nearly back - we could publish a week from tomorrow?
13:14:53 <Joshue108_> A month from the 13th of May as due date for comments?
13:15:18 <jasonjgw> date -d +30days
13:16:10 <Joshue108_> JS: Lets aim for June 17th
13:16:15 <Joshue108_> JW: WFM
13:16:17 <Joshue108_> SH: +1
13:16:55 <Joshue108_> JW: Is there any objection to publish Thurs of next week, with comments due 17th of June?
13:17:52 <Joshue108_> RESOLUTION: RQTF requests publication of second wide review draft of Accessibility of Remote meetings with comments due June 17th
13:18:27 <Joshue108_> JS: Messaging may not do out at the same time as publication
13:18:39 <Joshue108_> Not an issue - we did that with SAUR and RAUR etc
13:18:51 <Joshue108_> JS: I may be able to update Shawn on the WAI-Coord call
13:19:04 <Joshue108_> JW: Review to happen soon
13:19:21 <Joshue108_> JS: We can answer the whys
13:19:47 <Joshue108_> JS: They also have a previous draft, but a slightly older one
13:20:08 <Joshue108_> JW: There may be other comments that no longer apply
13:20:29 <Joshue108_> SH: It has changed a lot
13:20:46 <Joshue108_> JW: Other details?
13:20:50 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:20:50 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Accessibility of collaboration tools - scope of possible work. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:21:13 <Joshue108_> JW: Reflects on work done
13:21:22 <Joshue108_> JS: You did look at a paper, ACM?
13:22:01 <Joshue108_> JW: Yes, there are a number on this - you are thinking of the one addressing research on users experience collaborating editing based tools and more
13:22:25 <Joshue108_> JW: Have found others a la interactive realtime editing a11y
13:22:37 <Joshue108_> Mostly screen reader user focussed
13:22:51 <Joshue108_> The research attention is in that area.
13:23:07 <Joshue108_> JS: Issue for low vision users
13:23:56 <Joshue108_> JW: There are COGA type issues that should be addressed
13:24:07 <Joshue108_> JS: This will be a good paper - glad we are getting started
13:24:20 <Joshue108_> JS: I will add to list of references and add to wiki page
13:24:34 <Joshue108_> JS: Start a biblio
13:24:49 <Joshue108_> SH: I've added a few bullets - and added some content ideas etc
13:25:08 <Joshue108_> JW: I suggest we populate the wiki - please do review and we can discuss next time.
13:25:20 <Joshue108_> Anything else we should be doing?
13:25:27 <Joshue108_> Thanks Scott for help on wiki
13:26:22 <Joshue108_> JW: WCAG 4.1.3 relates to notifications without focus and could address some concerns
13:26:32 <Joshue108_> There are others likely not addressed
13:26:46 <Joshue108_> JS: We talked about some of those on WCAG 3
13:26:55 <Joshue108_> JS: Maybe I can do that.
13:27:54 <Joshue108_> Scribe: SteveNoble
13:27:55 <SteveNoble> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Collaboration_Tool_Accessibility
13:28:46 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We will look more at this next week
13:29:31 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We will need to discuss scope as well
13:29:47 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:29:47 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:30:25 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Not much work yet on this item
13:30:44 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Some of the github issues have been addressed
13:31:10 <SteveNoble> Joshue108_: Have not had a chance to look at this lately
13:31:26 <SteveNoble> Joshue108_: Do not remember any blockers on publishing
13:31:51 <SteveNoble> Joshue108_: Might be good to review the COGA issues one more time
13:32:24 <Joshue108_> +1 to publishing a heartbeat doc
13:32:46 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: This would probably get published before CAPTCHA
13:33:00 <SteveNoble> janina: +1
13:34:15 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Suggest a quick review to make sure we are fine with what is there
13:34:25 <SteveNoble> Joshue108_: +1
13:34:53 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Any final comments?
13:35:28 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We should think about a resolution next week
13:36:46 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:36:46 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:37:40 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Looked at the web machine learning ethics document - doesn't look like they have made any changes so far
13:38:05 <SteveNoble> janina: We are 10 days out for SAUR comments
13:38:42 <SteveNoble> janina: If no comments, then it would be a CfC for a note
13:39:38 <SteveNoble> janina: The maturity model work is progressing
13:40:06 <MichaelC> q+
13:40:50 <SteveNoble> janina: Important to use key words in the email subject line to keep matters straight
13:41:14 <SteveNoble> janina: We may be starting to get more email traffic now
13:41:55 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: RQTF can participate in the maturity model work
13:42:35 <MichaelC> Functional Needs has its own mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-a11y-functional-needs/
13:42:54 <SteveNoble> janina: New development is still in Google Docs - not on github
13:44:08 <SteveNoble> janina: Perhaps a pointer from our wiki to their wiki
13:44:52 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We don't have anything in our wiki about this - so yes, we need to update
13:45:37 <SteveNoble> MichaelC: Adding the functional needs link to our wiki
13:45:55 <SteveNoble> MichaelC: +1 to Janina's comments
13:46:25 <SteveNoble> Joshue108_: Issue with the mailing list - associated with silver, and not APA
13:46:36 <SteveNoble> MichaelC: Will look at that
13:47:35 <SteveNoble> janina: Web of things dialogue has started
13:48:18 <SteveNoble> janina: The need to look at inaccessible ecosystems
13:48:39 <SteveNoble> Joshue108_: Glad to see this in the works
13:50:04 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Any thing else?
13:51:27 <SteveNoble> janina: Peter Korn's comments about blue tooth hearing aid support in Amazon devices
13:51:58 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Final comments??
13:55:36 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
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