IRC log of MiniApp on 2022-04-28
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/04/28-MiniApp-irc
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- Meeting: MiniApps WG Teleconference
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- present+
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- scribe: xfq
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- present+ QingAn
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/28-MiniApp-minutes.html xfq
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- present+
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- present+ Xiaoping Zhao
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- present+ martin
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- regrets+ Dan Zhou
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- topic: lifecycle
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- @@link to tag issue@@
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- qing: the MiniApp origin is not the same as the web origin
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- present+ xiaoqian
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- ... more like a busniss policy
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- ... try to figure out how to handle the MiniApp origin
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- ... no big update to the spec
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- topic: manifest
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- martin: reviewing the csp issue
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- ... somehow related to the origin topic you mentioned just now
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- s/somehow/somewhat/
- 12:09:16 [xiaoqian]
- q+
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- https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/46
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- martin: editorial update
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- ... approved by xfq
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- ... if there's no objection we can merge it
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- https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/47
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- martin: I updated the explainer
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- ... not only 2 members
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- ... included the members we introduced a while ago
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- ... we can have another round of review and we can merge this
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- ... related to #30 and #48
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- ... about the csp issue, so far i haven't received any comments
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- https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/43
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- martin: I think we can align with WAM
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- ... feel free to comment
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- qing: is this related to the origin?
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- martin: not really
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- qing: the manifest id uses url
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- ... we need to consult the MiniApp vendors whether it's possible
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- ... do you think it's feasible, martin?
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- martin: I think we can use it
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- QingAn: we need to see whether it affects the impls
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- martin: I agree with you that we should continue the discussion
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- ack xiaoqian
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- xiaoqian: there's a Chinese company called Dingdao, working on PWAs
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- https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/1036
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- xiaoqian: they filed an issue ^
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- ... is it something we want to do for MiniApp manifest?
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- ... should we invite the engineers from Dingdao to talk about their vision for PWA?
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- ... to see whether we have any ideas about hybrid apps
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- ... I think we already have a version member in the MiniApp manifest
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- ... we need to look at if the requirements are the same
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- ... if the requirements are the same we should support his idea
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- martin: I will comment
- 12:23:07 [xiaoqian]
- martin++
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- xiaoqian: thank you, martin
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- topic: packaging
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- https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/pull/53
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- martin: cleaned up the RFC 2119 terms
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- ... nothing affecting the content
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- QingAn: it's an editorial change?
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- martin: yes
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- QingAn: in this case, I'm OK with it
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- martin: will work on https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/48 this or next week
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- xfq: wide review?
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- martin: I think it's solid unless other MiniApp vendors disagree
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- xiaoqian: we should also ask the publishing groups
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- ... because they're interested
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- martin: yeah
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- QingAn: about manifest and lifecycle
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- ... what's the next step?
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- ... review schedule
- 12:31:31 [martin]
- +1 to early reviews of the specs
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- xfq: imho we can start requesting review now
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- QingAn: agreed
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- https://www.w3.org/2021/01/miniapps-wg-charter.html#deliverables
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- xiaoqian: according to the charter we should move to PR in Q3 2022
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- ... we need to have at least 2 independent impls for each feature
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- QingAn: we're already behind schedule for CR
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- xiaoqian: we need to close the normative issues before we move to CR
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- ... wide review is also required
- 12:35:11 [tomayac]
- present+ tomayac
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- martin: we should also start creating a test suite as soon as possible
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- xiaoqian: we should also look at the WAM spec to see if we can share some test cases
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- martin: I'll look into this
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- xiaoqian: since tomayac is here, i wonder whether he can share how WAM is tested
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- tomayac: i'm not a testing expert
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- ... there's wpt, but i'm personally not involved
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- xiaoqian: thank you
- 12:40:00 [tomayac]
- This is the (open) Issue foir creating a test suite: https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/666
- 12:40:12 [tomayac]
- s/foir/for
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- topic: widget
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- xiaoping: two modificatoins
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- ... remove the ack sectoin
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- ... and update the explainer
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- ... all merged
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- QingAn: next step for widgets?
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- xiaoping: we're drafting a widget spec
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- topic: white paper
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- qing: i think it's mature enough to publish
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- https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/pull/181
- 12:43:51 [martin]
- +1 to publish
- 12:44:12 [xiaoqian]
- +1
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- QingAn: we can send an email to the group since not all group members are here
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- xiaoqian: should we add a version number to it?
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- QingAn: good idea to add a year
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- ... MiniApp Standardization White Paper 2022?
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- xiaoqian: looks good to me
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- QingAn: we may not update it next year
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- ... if we use the year someone may think it's out of date
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- ... i prefer use something like v2.0
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- martin: works for me
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- QingAn: should we issue a cfc?
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- xfq: it's a note, we can jus tpublish it
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- xiaoqian: we can publish it and announce it to the group
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- topic: next meeting
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- ... may 26?
- 12:49:35 [martin]
- +1 May 26
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