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12:58:46 <jeanne> Meeting: Test Reliability
13:02:28 <jeanne> scribe: jeanne
13:02:50 <jeanne> Topic: Method document <- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MjmGLfmqcfLgauqg0C3dRZG6KYT2dy5BQ69sz4xet6Q/edit#heading=h.suhwld62yx1t
13:03:15 <jeanne> FS: We need a definition of natural language
13:04:17 <jeanne> WF: Internationalization has that.
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13:04:54 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-glossary/#def_natural_language
13:05:13 <jeanne> JS: +1 to using i18n definition
13:15:15 <jeanne> Topic: Definition of Block of Text
13:15:36 <jeanne> WF: Are blocks of text defined by white space?
13:16:06 <jeanne> Existing text in document: "Block of Text: (needs work) Any natural language text, including alternative text, that isn’t part of a larger sentence. Examples include paragraphs, large quotations, lists, buttons, table cells. Quotations inside a paragraph or links inside sentences are not blocks of text. "
13:17:18 <jeanne> WF: A sentence is easy to define, but what makes it a block?  Defining it by white space seems "off" because of screen readers and books
13:19:49 <jeanne> WF: A block of text starts on a new line and ends with the line break.
13:20:28 <jeanne> ... it would include every line of a poem, but I can live with that.
13:20:55 <jeanne> ... you might need text that reflows
13:21:45 <jeanne> ... you either know that there is a line break or you need ??
13:22:32 <jeanne> JS: So if there is a <br /> in a <p>, that would be two blocks of text?
13:22:36 <jeanne> WF:  Yes
13:25:39 <jeanne> WF: ANother example: A definition list could be on one line on a wide screen could be one block of text and one the narrow screen it would be two blocks of text.
13:26:52 <jeanne> JS: Shouldn't something that is programmatically coded as two blocks, still be two blocks even if it is visually one block?
13:27:03 <jeanne> WF: That makes it unnecessarily complicated
13:29:33 <jeanne> JS: Will the definition work in a vertical language?
13:35:50 <jeanne> JS: What about: "A paragraph is typically a run of phrasing content that forms a block of text with one or more sentences that discuss a particular topic, as in typography, but can also be used for more general thematic grouping. For instance, an address is also a paragraph, as is a part of a form, a byline, or a stanza in a poem". - from HTML5  Semantics, structure and APIs of
13:35:50 <jeanne> HTML documents (Editor’s draft)
13:36:09 <jeanne> WF: This is too HTML specific, but we can work on it.
13:36:38 <jeanne> ... it is a circular definition.
13:39:37 <jeanne> ... I liked the definition we started with, but I also like the HTML examples
13:40:05 <jeanne> JS: I think we should note the HTML5 definition and explain that we aren't using it because it is self-referential.
13:43:30 <jeanne> JS: What about a programmatic line?
13:44:00 <jeanne> WF: I would rather see a "hard line break" from word processing
13:44:31 <jeanne> WF: What about PDF?  They can have untagged sentences and paragraphs.
13:48:26 <jeanne> WF: What about columns that reflow? They don't end in a paragraph.
13:54:58 <jeanne> Topic: Next step with AGWG?
13:55:26 <jeanne> FS: I will send a message to Rachael saying the work is ready to present to AGWG
13:55:35 <jeanne> JS: I can move it to Github
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15:22:13 <jeanne> present+ Francis, Wilco, jeanne
15:22:17 <jeanne> chair: Francis
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15:23:56 <jeanne> +1
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