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11:59:00 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
11:59:06 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
11:59:16 <kaz> regrets+ Michael_Lagally, Sebastian_Kaebisch
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12:06:18 <dape> scribe: dape
12:06:22 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Kunihiko_Toumura
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12:07:22 <dape> <MMC informs about agenda re-structering>
12:07:49 <dape> TOPIC: Minutes
12:08:01 <dape> -> Apr-13 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/04/13-wot-minutes.html
12:08:13 <dape> MMC: Any change requests?
12:08:29 <dape> ... typos have been fixed before the call
12:08:38 <dape> ... no objections -> minutes approved
12:08:51 <dape> TOPIC: Review Ongoing Action Items
12:09:03 <dape> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Ongoing_Action_Items
12:09:17 <kaz> i/MMC informs/topic: Agenda/
12:09:37 <kaz> i|MMC informs|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#20_April_2022 agenda for today, April-20|
12:09:58 <dape> MMC: w.r.t. Use case coverage and due diligence
12:10:10 <dape> ... ask everyone to provide information
12:10:17 <dape> ... MLagally still on vacation
12:11:03 <kaz> q+
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12:11:49 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:11:49 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Kunihiko_Toumura, David_Ezell
12:11:58 <dape> TOPIC: Quick updates
12:12:05 <dape> SUBTOPICS: Cancellations
12:12:13 <dape> MCC: Updated cancellations
12:12:19 <dape> ... ie. scripting call next week
12:12:26 <dape> ... -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates
12:12:43 <dape> ... e.g., today Profile has been cancelled
12:12:53 <dape> ... next Monday.. security takes place
12:13:05 <dape> SUBTOPIC: IEC CDD Liaison
12:13:24 <dape> Kaz: I talked with new IEC group chair
12:13:44 <dape> ... were wondering how to proceed liaison
12:13:57 <dape> ... prefer to work first with Japanese CG
12:15:41 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WoT Japanese CG updates
12:16:01 <dape> TM: April 22, Agenda has been decided
12:16:12 <dape> ... use-case: smart building in Japan
12:17:01 <dape> MMC: New announcements can be added to wiki
12:17:11 <dape> TM: Okay, thanks
12:17:15 <kaz> s/IEC group chair/IEC SC 3D chair/
12:17:25 <dape> TOPIC: Publications
12:17:27 <kaz> s/prefer to work/prefer working/
12:18:19 <dape> MMC: We have TD request for TD
12:18:27 <dape> ... -> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/715
12:18:52 <dape> ... should answer a question in the issue in TD call
12:19:06 <dape> Ege: Makes sense
12:19:18 <dape> MMC: Internationalization has been done
12:19:37 <dape> MMC: Discovery still in the work
12:19:53 <dape> ... behind schedule is also accessibility
12:20:09 <dape> MMC: PING is separated?
12:20:40 <dape> ... what causes security review?
12:20:58 <dape> Kaz: should use dedicated labels
12:21:23 <dape> MMC: good to know. should take care of that
12:21:53 <dape> MMC: Explainer is a lot of work
12:22:08 <dape> ... Lagally started work ... not much content
12:22:22 <dape> ... discovery and profile has not been started yet
12:22:40 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/Guide/documentreview/ wide review guide
12:22:41 <kaz> [[
12:22:54 <kaz> Security
12:22:54 <kaz> Write a "Security Considerations" section for your document, taking into account the Self-Review Questionnaire: Security and Privacy, then request a review via GitHub
12:22:54 <kaz> Show useful links
12:22:54 <kaz> groups
12:22:54 <kaz> None
12:22:56 <kaz> links
12:22:58 <kaz> Self-Review Questionnaire: Security and Privacy, published by the TAG and PING
12:22:59 <dape> MMC: Let's review schedule
12:23:00 <kaz> Mitigating Browser Fingerprinting in Web Specifications
12:23:02 <kaz> Guidelines for Writing RFC Text on Security Considerations (RFC3552), particularly Section 5
12:23:04 <kaz> ]]
12:23:17 <dape> ... -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Schedule
12:23:47 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/security-request/issues/new/choose security request
12:24:08 <dape> ... -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md
12:25:57 <dape> MMC: w.r.t. schedule
12:26:12 <dape> ... May 6, CR candidate for TD1.1
12:26:21 <dape> ... 2 weeks away
12:26:32 <dape> ... should finalize things next week
12:26:46 <dape> ... CR transition mid May for TD1.1
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12:27:52 <dape> KT: created PR for sorting entries based on date
12:28:48 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/security-request/issues/new/choose security request||
12:29:17 <kaz> i|Let's review|-> https://github.com/w3c/security-request/issues/new/choose security-request repo|
12:29:19 <dape> MMC: CR and PR transition for TD1.1 mid May?
12:29:24 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:29:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:29:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:29:48 <dape> Ege: Yes, not sure.. Toumura-san mentioned this also
12:30:16 <dape> MMC: I think we forgot to move PR transition
12:30:20 <dape> Ege: think so to
12:30:30 <dape> MMC: Okay, let's look at it again in TD call
12:31:19 <dape> TOPIC: Testing
12:31:48 <dape> MMC: wait for updates before updating TD results
12:32:20 <dape> ... for discovery we are making progress
12:32:35 <dape> Ege: have an internal implementation
12:32:42 <dape> .. with special logic
12:32:55 <dape> CA: WebThings gateway has client implementation
12:33:19 <dape> MMC: Hitachy updated discovery results recently
12:33:28 <dape> ... need to re-run report generator
12:34:04 <dape> DP: I don't think node-wot will support discovery in near future
12:34:49 <dape> MMC: we have a template how to provide manual / automatic  test results
12:35:00 <dape> ... got PR from logilab also
12:35:18 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
12:35:44 <dape> MMC: thoughts about testing procedures?
12:35:57 <dape> ... let's discuss this in testing call
12:36:34 <dape> TOPIC: Review Sections
12:36:52 <dape> MMC: created new sections
12:36:56 <kaz> s/Hitachy/Hitachi/
12:37:01 <dape> ... Charter Extensions and Renewal -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Charters
12:37:14 <dape> ... Review Liaisons -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Liaisons
12:37:26 <dape> .. Review Collaborations -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Collaborations
12:38:34 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Review Liaisons
12:38:57 <dape> MMC: Matter, I am getting access to specs
12:39:04 <dape> ... will take a closer lookl
12:39:15 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Review Collaborations
12:39:15 <kaz> i/Charter Extensions/subtopic: Charter/
12:39:23 <dape> MMC: Any new announcements
12:39:37 <dape> Ege: working on charter with CA
12:39:39 <kaz> q+
12:39:41 <dape> ... very much out-dated
12:40:00 <dape> MMC: discuss that in marketing call?
12:40:12 <dape> Kaz: BTW, there is new template for CG charter
12:40:29 <Ege> we were going to use https://w3c.github.io/cg-charter/CGCharter.html
12:40:54 <kaz> https://github.com/w3c/cg-charter
12:41:02 <dape> Kaz: Yes, seem correct link
12:41:39 <dape> DP: seems *old* repo
12:41:56 <kaz> https://github.com/w3c/charter-drafts/blob/gh-pages/charter-template.html
12:42:01 <dape> Kaz: good point
12:42:19 <kaz> s/https:/-> https:/
12:42:36 <kaz> s/html/html latest Charter template has an entry for CG as well/
12:42:40 <dape> TOPIC: TF Reports
12:43:14 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Scripting
12:43:22 <dape> DP: next meeting May 2
12:43:25 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Security
12:43:50 <dape> MMC: Reviewed architecture
12:44:18 <kaz> s/has an/may have an/
12:44:33 <kaz> ack k
12:44:38 <dape> ... in Arch document - security split  by deliverable
12:44:48 <dape> ... plan to flatten the structure
12:45:06 <dape> ... will discuss this on Security call on Monday
12:45:22 <dape> ... another PR w.r.t. testing plan
12:45:28 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Marketing
12:45:43 <dape> Ege: we went through issues
12:45:48 <dape> ... closed *old* issues
12:45:54 <kaz> q+
12:46:11 <dape> MMC: agree with closing *old* issues
12:46:30 <dape> ... TD and discovery we should use "propose closing"
12:46:43 <dape> Ege: for TD call this is on the agenda
12:47:08 <dape> Kaz: Agree. Should rather close obsolete issues
12:47:19 <dape> ... like 1 year ago
12:47:59 <dape> ... should talk about policy about requests for presentations
12:48:16 <dape> ... suggest to discuss this first in main call
12:49:16 <kaz> s/should talk/btw, we should talk/
12:49:37 <kaz> s/policy about/policy for/
12:49:46 <dape> MMC: asked to talk Sustainability
12:50:05 <dape> ... will join next marketing call to discuss the topic
12:50:29 <dape> Kaz: Simple suggestion - quickly mention it in main call first
12:50:42 <dape> ... assign peoples afterwards
12:52:31 <dape> MMC: wiki and GH are both public
12:53:00 <dape> ... e.g., Standict needs W3C feedback
12:53:13 <dape> ... not sure about policy tough
12:53:22 <kaz> s/tough/though/
12:53:24 <dape> s/tough/though
12:54:49 <dape> Kaz: Presentation request in general - information in main call first
12:54:56 <dape> ... details separately
12:55:14 <dape> MMC: Okay, let's do that
12:55:27 <dape> ... main call first... discuss it
12:55:42 <Ege> q+
12:55:46 <kaz> ack k
12:55:52 <dape> ... in time critical matters... sending email is okay too
12:56:10 <dape> Ege: w.r.t. presentation
12:56:34 <kaz> q+
12:56:38 <dape> ... we have now policy.. should we do anything with what we did already
12:56:39 <kaz> ack e
12:57:12 <dape> MMC: if confirmed ... not much to do
12:57:51 <dape> Ege: Standict is a bit like a press release
12:58:04 <kaz> ack k
12:58:07 <dape> Kaz/MMC: Yes, talking to Coralie first makes sense then
12:58:35 <dape> MMC: w.r.t. AC meeting and sustainability
12:58:44 <dape> Kaz: April 26
12:58:50 <dape> ... member-only meeting
12:59:00 <dape> MMC: Yes, not critical
13:00:10 <dape> [testing in 5 minutes]
13:00:21 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:00:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:00:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:13:57 <kaz> chair: McCool
13:13:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:13:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/20-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:16:36 <McCool_> have merged https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/293, new discovery test results
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