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13:45:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:45:13 <trackbot> Date: 20 April 2022
13:45:18 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
13:45:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, clear the agenda
13:45:23 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:45:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> Chair:  Matthew
13:45:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:45:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:45:44 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:45:49 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:45:52 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:45:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ FAST and Maturity Model Deliverables Update
13:45:58 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Web of Things - middleware concept update
13:46:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:46:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:46:06 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ TPAC (12-16 September) Planning
13:46:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Other Business
13:46:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ be done
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14:07:57 <mike_beganyi> scribe: mike_beganyi
14:08:37 <mike_beganyi> introductions
14:08:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, next item
14:08:59 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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14:09:47 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close item
14:09:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', mike_beganyi
14:09:52 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
14:09:52 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:09:54 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:09:54 <Zakim> 2. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:09:56 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
14:09:57 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:10:13 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: no new charters this week
14:10:18 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
14:10:19 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:10:19 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:10:19 <Zakim> 3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:10:22 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
14:10:22 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:11:20 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: WebXR Device API which Fredrik took on review of
14:11:55 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: can discuss SVG Native
14:12:23 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: should it be a "should" requirement to expose title in description or a "must"
14:13:02 <mike_beganyi> Gottfried: we want to provide alt text, so "must" is appropriate
14:14:08 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: renderers that don't expose alt are prevalent, so not sure we can dictate it's a "must". doesn't compare to other rendering formats
14:14:18 <janina> present+
14:14:20 <janina> q?
14:14:25 <janina> q+
14:14:38 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: Paul made a comment that we should make it a "should" because we cannot reasonably expect at the operating system level
14:14:47 <mike_beganyi> ack janina
14:14:53 <Gottfried> q+ Could it be a conditional "must"?
14:15:11 <mike_beganyi> janina: we can try to have impact and maybe negotiate to "should"
14:15:16 <Gottfried> q+ to ask whether it could be a conditional "must"
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14:16:21 <mike_beganyi> Gottfried: stop the deprecation of title and description from SVG. Agree with Mat that we don't have the say-so at the OS level. we have doors here but we can't push through them
14:17:02 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: should we leave the comment as is and put CFC on it for discussion?
14:17:11 <mike_beganyi> janina: I'm fine with all approaches
14:17:14 <mike_beganyi> ack Gottfried
14:17:14 <Zakim> Gottfried, you wanted to ask whether it could be a conditional "must"
14:17:57 <Gottfried> ack
14:18:00 <mike_beganyi> Gottfried: if it applies to accessibility API, then it must apply. a conditional must if a prerequisite is met
14:19:03 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: Gottfried, are you happy with comment as is or should we include conditional must?
14:19:29 <mike_beganyi> Gottfried: if we start with low requirement, it will move lower. like the idea of asking for a stronger requirement
14:19:39 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: is conditional must sufficiently high?
14:19:41 <mike_beganyi> Gottfried: yes
14:20:10 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: janina, can I re-draft suggestion then re-send?
14:20:11 <mike_beganyi> janina: yes
14:20:38 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
14:20:38 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:21:13 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Fonts_for_the_Web:_Rationale,_1996
14:21:55 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: fonts for the web rationale 1996. a note publication of a document. it's being published. W3C winning an emmy for it. historical note. short and interesting read
14:22:54 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: three web assembly specs we might dispose of. for the core spec, review exercise but no comments. Javascript interface we decided we didn't need to review it, same with Web API.
14:23:02 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebAssembly_Core_Specification_Version_2.0
14:23:06 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebAssembly_JavaScript_Interface_Version_2.0
14:23:09 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebAssembly_Web_API_Version_2.0
14:23:32 <mike_beganyi> janina: debated whether we needed to worry or not. not sure we can trace any problems to anything in compiled web content. less worried than 1.0
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14:24:31 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebXR_Hand_Input_Module_-_Level_1
14:24:49 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: Web XR Hand Input Module: not new to TR but just picked it up. looking through. had comments on other Web XR specs
14:26:00 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: suspicion that it is not necessary to review
14:26:28 <mike_beganyi> Gottfried: student who wrote thesis on input without hand gestures. can share link
14:27:13 <Gottfried> Fiona Heilemann. (2021). Accessible hands-free input methods for a serious VR game: Development and evaluation. Hochschule der Medien Stuttgart. https://hdms.bsz-bw.de/frontdoor/index/index/start/0/rows/10/sortfield/score/sortorder/desc/searchtype/simple/query/heilemann/docId/6641
14:27:13 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: will take a look at this and review it
14:27:35 <Gottfried> Short video on YouTube: https://youtu.be/P0jU5TW6iXc
14:27:47 <mike_beganyi> janina: can ask anyone at W3C for assistance in reviewing.
14:27:55 <mike_beganyi> janina: this is first public working draft or early on?
14:28:13 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: FPWD was about 2 years ago but it's reviewed every 6 months
14:28:23 <mike_beganyi> janina: timely to review as CR may be coming up
14:28:33 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: will officially review but ask Kim if possible to review as well
14:29:50 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: two Web of Things comments to discuss. separate item later
14:30:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
14:30:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, take up item 7
14:30:48 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Web of Things - middleware concept update -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:31:20 <mike_beganyi> janina: we came up with term which serves our needs: "middleware"
14:31:59 <mike_beganyi> janina: our use case suggests that it's not enough whether it's indicated that something is controllable via an app, but there's software in-between that needs to be accessible
14:32:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/20-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
14:32:56 <mike_beganyi> janina: only after purchasing a lamp and finding it's controlled by an app that is inaccessible is important to expose. started calling that particular software as "middleware"
14:33:04 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:33:48 <mike_beganyi> janina: 2 things. if anyone knows how this software is specified or exposed; and a need to write an e-mail if not
14:34:08 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: not sure if middleware is correct, but it feels right based on description
14:34:32 <mike_beganyi> janina: if they've even thought of naming such software at all. ran into this before with HTML5 with "alternative"
14:34:47 <mike_beganyi> janina: so we invented the term "primary media resource"
14:36:06 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: if there's a question just go ahead and pose it. they'll probably answer quickly and we can move forward
14:36:30 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: I'll update them on our status
14:37:07 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up item 6
14:37:07 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- FAST and Maturity Model Deliverables Update -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:37:35 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: FAST update is that there isn't any update beyond Josh being invited as an expert
14:37:48 <mike_beganyi> janina: Josh is back in APA
14:38:06 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: maturity model. we are running short on time.
14:41:10 <mike_beganyi> janina: maturity model meets in the next hour. subset of RQTF, and that's where maturity model e-mails go
14:41:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:42:00 <mike_beganyi> Fazio: APA and RQTF, get back into things, GitHub, making updates as we speak
14:42:13 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up item 8
14:42:13 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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14:42:43 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: Personalization and COGA did not meet
14:42:58 <mike_beganyi> subtopic: Pronunciation
14:45:12 <Fazio> also trauma triggers
14:48:17 <mike_beganyi> PaulG: guests from Accessibility for Children Community Group, use case discussion we had not included, as well as ongoing guidance. make use case for certain spects of pronunciation are important for children in an environment where they are learning a second language. has pointed out some gaps in SSML, moving it to the web but still in that process
14:48:31 <mike_beganyi> janina: not just an accessibility use case. It has massive implications beyond that, think of newcomers to different countries for example. Will talk to the task force responsible for language codes.
14:48:43 <mike_beganyi> PaulG: SSML has a variant for voice, which is a positive integer targeted to a system. If it's a match it'll find the variant. Preserve the author's intentions
14:49:14 <mike_beganyi> Fazio: Downs Syndrome has been changed from a severe cognitive disability to a mild one due to AAC and other devices. this work is important to provide a richer experience on the web
14:51:10 <mike_beganyi> subtopic: RQTF
14:52:12 <mike_beganyi> janina: SAUR is out, messaging has gone out. remote meetings draft is about to go out for second wide review. working on messaging. group agreed this morning that we needed to write AUR for collaborative tools
14:52:40 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
14:52:40 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:53:00 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
14:53:00 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:53:01 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:53:01 <Zakim> 5. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:53:16 <mike_beganyi> agenda?
14:53:52 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up item 9
14:53:52 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:54:19 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: on-screen keyboard review with Becky. I'm aware of issues and review it within the next week
14:54:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:54:35 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
14:54:36 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
14:54:36 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:54:36 <Zakim> 5. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:57:27 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/20-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:58:05 <mike_beganyi> zakim, bye
14:58:05 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Fredrik, iali, Matthew_Atkinson, Fazio, Roy, PaulG, becky, Jonny_James, mike_beganyi, janina, MichaelC, Gottfried, david-swallow
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14:58:29 <mike_beganyi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:58:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/20-apa-minutes.html mike_beganyi
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