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14:45:57 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), dmontalvo
14:46:06 <dmontalvo> Meeting: WAI Curricula Task Force Teleconference
14:46:14 <dmontalvo> Regrets: Carlos, Dave, Donal, Brian, Sarah
14:46:18 <dmontalvo> Chair: Daniel
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15:03:58 <GN> present+
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15:06:01 <Howard> scribe: Howard
15:06:08 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
15:06:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- "plan for the inclusion of" versus "consider the below" versus other wording for planning LOs -- taken up [from dmontalvo]
15:06:46 <dmontalvo> https://content-author-modules--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/multimedia/
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15:08:58 <estella> Present+
15:09:15 <Howard> Daniel: question over terminology of 'consider' in 2nd learning outcome.
15:09:47 <dmontalvo> https://content-author-modules--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/content-author-modules/multimedia/
15:10:55 <Howard> Brent: Can we change "consider the following".
15:11:22 <Howard> ... 1st bullet doesn't seem complete.
15:11:53 <Howard> ... Do we want people to remove or use redundant content?
15:12:20 <Howard> Daniel: if you can understand the video without the audio, for example, that helps ...
15:12:41 <Howard> ... the user. So increase redundancy.
15:13:17 <Howard> Brent: instead of saying 'redundant' 'when possible match the video and audio content to ...
15:13:50 <Howard> ... help different groups of users understand the content better'.
15:15:58 <Howard> Estella: might move 2nd bullet point to the last one.
15:16:10 <Howard> Brent: would agree to move it to 4th bullet.
15:16:48 <Howard> Estella: this bullet point is more general. Others are more specific.
15:17:20 <Howard> Brent: would it be helpful to put verbs in front of the bullet points.
15:19:31 <Howard> ... In front of sub-bullet points. So add 'use' to 'aas much redundant visual and audio content as'.
15:20:22 <Howard> Brent: moving 'when possible' after the verb on each bullet point.
15:20:56 <Howard> Estella: maybe turn sentence into a passive voice?
15:21:51 <Howard> ... Instead of 'consider the following when creating' to 'consider the following before the creation of audio and video content'.
15:23:06 <Howard> Brent: thinks that works but thinks we can leave it for now. Will get feedback at survey.
15:24:19 <Howard> Daniel: maybe look for a different work than 'creation,' at some point, but leave for now.
15:26:39 <Howard> Estella: Question: for a student, 'consider' is very open as opposed to something like 'explain'.
15:26:59 <Howard> ... Not really a learning outcome.
15:28:00 <Howard> ... How will an instructor measure 'consideration' of an action by the student?
15:28:36 <Howard> Brent: Want the student to understand these 4 bullets and make sure they use these 4 ...
15:28:56 <Howard> ... bullets during the planning phase of creating audio and video content.
15:29:32 <Howard> ... Want them to know these things before they start creating the audio and video content.
15:32:26 <Brent> Howard: Makes sense to change the wording a bit to turn it more into a learning outcome. Something that is measurable.
15:34:32 <Howard> Gerhard: why not use students need to 'explain' these concepts. Requires a higher level of ...
15:34:39 <Howard> ... understanding.
15:35:15 <Howard> Daniel: Some content authors may be familiar with these concepts and some may not.
15:36:42 <Howard> Howard: looks at it as we're requiring students to understand these concepts.
15:37:07 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
15:37:07 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Reordered topics (from most to least content author participation): "Planning Audio and Video", "Transcripts", "Captions", "Description". -- taken up [from dmontalvo]
15:38:38 <Howard> Daniel: reordered 'topics to teach' as shown above.
15:39:42 <Howard> Howard: makes sense.
15:40:10 <Howard> Brent: would agree because if you look at success criteria this is the same order as found on WCAG.
15:40:28 <Howard> ... and it moves from 'A' to 'AAA'.
15:40:44 <estella> +1 for the reorder
15:41:18 <GN> +1 for reorderr
15:41:21 <dmontalvo> zakim, take up next
15:41:21 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Explicit mentions to alternatives in "planning Audio and Video" topic. Is this the right balance? -- taken up [from dmontalvo]
15:44:23 <Howard> Daniel: Need to also add 'sign language' to learning outcomes and topics to teach.
15:44:38 <Howard> ... and keep the order consistent.
15:45:27 <Howard> Estella: sign language needs to be included.
15:47:35 <Howard> Daniel: Will explain what 'sign language' means somewhere, perhaps in introduction.
15:47:48 <Howard> ... If not, will need to put somewhere else.
15:48:40 <Howard> Estella: thinks that the above actions will address the need to include 'sign language.'
15:49:04 <Howard> Daniel: will look for a way to include the definition.
15:53:30 <Howard> Daniel: Need to explain to instructors why sign language is needed.
15:55:22 <Brent> Howard: One question I have... Most people are not providing sign language as it falls under AAA. Do we need to mention or emphasize that this is not something that everone is going to do?
15:56:07 <Howard> Daniel: need to mention that sign language is not done universally and that it's difficult to use but that there are a group of ...
15:56:35 <Howard> ... users who need this format.
15:57:25 <Howard> ... Try to make these modules agnostic as possible, in terms of what is required.
15:57:49 <Howard> ... Modules will provide guidance and up to audience to decide what to implement.
15:59:47 <Howard> Estella: One of main problems for signers - deaf communities - signers feel like they are delegated to audio ...
16:00:14 <Howard> ... audience. But also a right to have their own language recognized.
16:00:27 <Howard> ... Important thing is to include it.
16:01:16 <GN> +1 to Estella
16:01:28 <Howard> Brent: Need to get subtlety across - although difficult, if you don't do it, you will be ...
16:01:52 <Howard> ... creating a barrier for certain audiences. Get across to students that there are ...
16:02:10 <Howard> ... people who can only access information via sign language.
16:03:22 <Howard> ... We should say these are the things that make the media content ...
16:03:31 <Howard> ... fully accessible.
16:03:37 <Howard> Daniel: will work on this nuance.
16:03:51 <dmontalvo> Topic: Next Steps
16:04:17 <Howard> Daniel: meeting next week, the 26th of April.
16:12:25 <dmontalvo> s/meeting next week/Not meeting next week
16:12:33 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, make minutes v1
16:12:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/19-wai-curricula-minutes.html dmontalvo
16:15:16 <dmontalvo> zakim, end meeting
16:15:16 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been GN, CarlosD, Brent, BrianE, estella, Howard
16:15:18 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:15:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/19-wai-curricula-minutes.html Zakim
16:15:22 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, dmontalvo; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:15:33 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, bye
16:15:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items