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13:45:28 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, this will be pcg-a11y
13:45:28 <Zakim> ok, AvneeshSingh
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13:47:02 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, agenda+ Progress update on document for guiding, how to write good accessibility summary.
13:47:02 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
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13:47:34 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, agenda+ Update on extending crosswalk of schema.org accessibility metadata and ONIX to MARC.
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13:47:54 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, agenda+ Any other business.
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14:02:00 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
14:02:00 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Progress update on document for guiding, how to write good accessibility summary -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
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14:02:15 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/schema-a11y-summary/
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14:03:00 <Gautier> Scribe: Gautier
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14:03:51 <Gautier> George: we have a draft we wish to finish. A small group of people raised hands.
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14:04:16 <Gautier> Charles: started as a group at benetech & daisy.
14:04:19 <Michelle_> present
14:04:32 <Gautier> used kind of structure usable for respec
14:04:34 <Michelle_> present+
14:05:16 <ccarr> present+
14:05:31 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/schema-a11y-summary/
14:05:57 <Gautier> charles: lot of publisher copy past info for this summary. Making it of little use. Last interrogation was is it pertinent to keep this summary ?
14:06:38 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:06:47 <Gautier> Makoto want to join the group redacting this summary guideline
14:07:33 <Gautier> Michelle: will make it circulate to librarians so they can give theyre impression.
14:08:26 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:08:34 <Gautier> Charles: some info is present in others metas. This is where publishers can indicat wcag level and shortcomings (exemple : all images described)
14:09:43 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:09:52 <Gautier> charles: to be very informative. Some is potentialy automated (presence of video or alt text, etc.). Any automation could appear in SMART by Daisy.
14:11:03 <Gautier> Georges: the idea is that professor selecting a title could easy determine if it meets needs. the same for any person wishing to read a book.
14:12:10 <Gautier> Georges: it came from publishers willing to be able to describe freely in a human narrated way. (exemple: this book can be read with eyes, fingers and ears)
14:12:23 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:12:51 <Gautier> Georges: some usecases also appeared as content un describle by actual metadats (exemple: there is ruby anotations in this book)
14:13:16 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:13:53 <Gautier> Makoto: we need a way to indicate caracter table used (china, japan don't use unicode)
14:14:13 <Michelle_> 1+
14:14:31 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:14:34 <Gautier> Georges: there is also a pronounciation guideline groupe working. Some question appeared about 500 caraters limit
14:15:29 <Gautier> gpellegrino: yes, it comes from ONIX, not a strong requirement but a suggestion. Some actors of the supplky chain truncket so we need to speak with editeur.
14:17:12 <Gautier> Michelle: there are caracter limits in MARC too but usually so high it doesn't matter. This could make library system timeout. We need a research to make sur what technologies allows.
14:17:42 <Gautier> Michelle: (the problem may come from library system more than metadata limit)
14:18:21 <Bill_Kasdorf> works for me
14:18:25 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:18:46 <Gautier> Georges: idea: a subtaskforce next week same time to investigate this point
14:19:08 <Gautier> Georges: i'll send an invit to everyone, come who wants
14:21:48 <Gautier> Georges: remeber to use the issue tracker wisely : one question by issue.
14:22:00 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:22:44 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
14:22:44 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Update on extending crosswalk of schema.org accessibility metadata and ONIX to MARC -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
14:22:50 <AvneeshSingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/drafts/a11y-crosswalk-MARC/
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14:25:08 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:25:10 <ChrisOliverOttawa_> From Hong Cui: The length limit for MARC field is 9999 octets max. https://www.loc.gov/marc/specifications/
14:25:51 <CharlesL1> q+
14:25:58 <ChrisOliverOttawa_> q+
14:27:18 <AvneeshSingh> ack charles
14:27:24 <Gautier> Gautier: describe table crosswalk
14:28:33 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:28:35 <Gautier> Charles: one confusing think was to find ...
14:29:01 <Gautier> Chris: not eared back from unimarc comitee
14:29:29 <ccarr> q+
14:29:30 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:30:00 <Gautier> Chris: on marc21 side we had a primary meeting and have a preliminary mapping. But need more discussion to make consensus.
14:30:21 <Gautier> Chris: very practical :i have github edit right, but find it hard to use.
14:30:40 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:31:00 <ccarr> https://www.loc.gov/standards/sourcelist/accessibility.html
14:31:17 <Gautier> Christopher: we also need a controlled vocabulary. This table will make ou work easier.
14:31:29 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:31:55 <Michelle_> q+
14:32:14 <Gautier> ccarr: we used the docx document previously circulated. We would llike to share but maybe not publicly yet
14:32:19 <AvneeshSingh> ack mich
14:32:53 <Michelle_> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues
14:33:33 <Gautier> Michelle: the link that was shared in IRC is this the space for editing / comenting ? I have rights too, i can do this.
14:34:21 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:35:12 <Gautier> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/tree/main/drafts/a11y-crosswalk-MARC
14:37:01 <Gautier> Charles: i'll break that table in multiple tables to make it easier to read
14:37:33 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:37:58 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:38:04 <Gautier> Avneesh: who will lead this subtaskforce?
14:38:13 <Gautier> Avneesh: any volunteer?
14:38:16 <ChrisOliverOttawa_> I can volunteer to help lead
14:38:22 <ccarr> I can co-lead
14:38:48 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:39:01 <Gautier> Madeline: i'll provide schema help
14:39:07 <Gautier> Charles: me too
14:39:14 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:39:20 <GeorgeK> q+
14:40:16 <AvneeshSingh> ack george
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14:40:54 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:40:59 <Bill_Kasdorf> I think that was Michelle
14:41:07 <Gautier> Georges: Michelle said once this group do the work we have to take it to a wilder audience. Does that mean MARC community ?
14:43:29 <AvneeshSingh> q?
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14:43:34 <Gautier> ChrisOliverOttawa: yes
14:43:53 <Gautier> Georges: the goal is to have a strong draft for a wilder review.
14:44:12 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:44:13 <Gautier> Georges: we have to keep people informed to invite them join in
14:44:24 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:45:29 <Michelle_> q+
14:45:42 <AvneeshSingh> ack mich
14:45:44 <Gautier> ccarr: there are discussions underway at PCC but actually we can't add accessibility notes.
14:46:31 <Gautier> ccar: you can't say file format or drm presence actually.
14:47:20 <ChrisOliverOttawa_> q+
14:47:36 <Gautier> q+
14:47:57 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:49:08 <Gautier> ChrisOliverOttawa: Marc ddvisor comitee has a full agenda. This would come in the next meeting (june). We may ofeer to add this mapping to this meeting.
14:49:56 <AvneeshSingh> ack gaut
14:51:09 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
14:51:09 <ccarr> q+
14:51:26 <AvneeshSingh> ack bill
14:51:56 <AvneeshSingh> ack chris
14:52:03 <Gautier> Bill_kasdorf: from a publisher point of view. we not use marc commonly. it's coming and may be but book publishers don't use so much marc.
14:52:06 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:52:26 <Gautier> Michelle: will help for transformations
14:52:39 <Gautier> Michelle: automated transformation
14:52:58 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:53:01 <Gautier> Avneesh: who will lead this group? Do you wish to discuss it first?
14:53:02 <ChrisOliverOttawa_> q+
14:53:14 <AvneeshSingh> ack chris
14:53:19 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/will help/ONIX will help/
14:54:00 <Gautier> ChrisOliverOttawa_: maybe make sure we have all email. we need a meeting just focusing on marc.
14:54:06 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/don't use so much marc/don't use so much marc but they all use ONIX/
14:54:08 <AvneeshSingh> ack next
14:54:41 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, next agendum
14:54:41 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Any other business -- taken up [from AvneeshSingh]
14:55:08 <ChrisOliverOttawa_> good
14:55:17 <AvneeshSingh> q?
14:56:25 <CharlesL1> rrsagent, make logs public
14:56:32 <CharlesL1> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:56:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/14-pcg-a11y-minutes.html CharlesL1
14:57:54 <AvneeshSingh> zakim, leave
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