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13:48:37 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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13:48:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:48:43 <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2022
13:48:45 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/83b1d2d3-7389-437a-b0d5-32441827a9a3/20220414T150000
13:48:45 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:48:45 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:48:45 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:48:48 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:48:50 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:48:51 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:48:52 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:48:55 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:50:01 <addison> agenda+ request to approve preparation of new WG Note for English ruby terminology and to have a new repository
13:50:14 <addison> Regrets: Fuqiao
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13:58:24 <addison> present+ Addison, Atsushi
13:58:29 <addison> present+ JcK
14:03:51 <addison> present+ Bert
14:04:16 <atsushi> scribe: atsush
14:04:19 <atsushi> scribe: atsushi
14:04:22 <atsushi> scribe- atsush
14:04:27 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:04:27 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:30 <addison> agenda?
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14:05:49 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:05:49 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:49 <atsushi> addison: noticed about github repository for idn/http
14:06:06 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:06:34 <atsushi> addison: 1094, depends on TAG
14:06:58 <atsushi> addison: 1133, not yet done, need some time for update
14:07:05 <atsushi> ... 1134, will work this week
14:07:10 <atsushi> addison: 1137?
14:07:23 <atsushi> r12a: have to go back to the discussion last week
14:07:29 <atsushi> addison: saw comment on the issue
14:07:54 <atsushi> r12a: did comment on the thread, will follow later
14:08:11 <atsushi> addison: 1138, i did and all of them were satisfied, and closed
14:08:18 <addison> action-1138?
14:08:18 <trackbot> action-1138 -- Addison Phillips to Check indexeddb issues -- due 2022-04-14 -- OPEN
14:08:18 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1138
14:08:22 <addison> close action-1138
14:08:22 <trackbot> Closed action-1138.
14:08:30 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:08:30 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:14 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/ruby/styling.en
14:09:28 <atsushi> r12a: link above, an article, last update 2016
14:09:36 <atsushi> ... started working on this again, this week
14:09:45 <atsushi> ... haven't posted updates yet
14:10:19 <atsushi> addison: what is focus on your revision?
14:10:38 <atsushi> r12a: first section is for basic configurations, what you will do what will happen
14:10:54 <atsushi> ... tends how Japanese use, and Chinese uses
14:11:08 <atsushi> ... following sections are tweaks, like below or above
14:11:33 <atsushi> ... trying to a bit more information, about when you will do rather than just you can, for reason you want to do
14:11:49 <atsushi> ... syntax on test on your browser, more inline like MDN docs
14:12:10 <atsushi> ... plus, updating information what browsers support
14:12:43 <atsushi> ... rb parsing also on Chrome, so update with that information
14:13:02 <atsushi> ... havn't updated along with MDN docs
14:13:49 <atsushi> addison: cool to have tests in the page. people can check with these
14:14:01 <atsushi> r12a: not hard to do, just to place things
14:14:16 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:14:16 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:14:24 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:14:56 <atsushi> r12a: I know people are discussing on ruby terminology, not to stop these, but back them later
14:15:06 <atsushi> addison: no new request for review
14:15:24 <atsushi> ... xfq put number of pending issues on webgpu, wait for next week
14:15:38 <atsushi> addison: SPC, got email to set phone call later today
14:15:54 <atsushi> ... expect to move this item somewhere else
14:16:07 <atsushi> addison: any resolution?
14:16:37 <atsushi> addison: CSS-cascade, in 2020, to mark as closed - all issues closed
14:16:50 <atsushi> addison: no objection, move to completed
14:17:02 <atsushi> addison: also for css-logical
14:17:26 <addison> agenda?
14:17:37 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:17:37 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- request to approve preparation of new WG Note for English ruby terminology and to have a new repository -- taken up [from addison]
14:17:47 <addison> scribe+
14:17:55 <r12a> present+
14:18:01 <addison> atsushi: reported last week, in JLTF call this week
14:18:05 <addison> ... discussed ruby terminology
14:18:15 <addison> ... most attendees have some reaction to japanese terminology
14:18:22 <addison> ... not so interested in English
14:18:31 <addison> ... most positions neutral, but okay to proceed
14:18:45 <addison> ... kida-san is performing last review on explainer on terms we want to propose
14:19:06 <addison> ... want to propose to have separate draft of WG-Note and want new W3C repo
14:19:20 <addison> ... not easy to a list of terms, one term with short description
14:19:45 <addison> ... concluded to propose to start drafting dedicated document
14:19:56 <atsushi> https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/pull/331
14:19:59 <addison> richard: link to the text?
14:20:06 <addison> atsushi: ^^^
14:20:29 <addison> atsushi: once new repo, seek comments from wider community including clreq and css
14:21:09 <addison> richard: not sure about having separate repo
14:21:17 <addison> ... might want to integrate with i18n-glossary
14:21:32 <addison> ... helpful to have examples and a bit more than we'd have in glossary
14:21:40 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-ruby.en
14:21:42 <addison> ... one is that we have an article "what is ruby"
14:21:56 <addison> ... it's a short article, but has some on japanese ruby
14:22:18 <addison> ... article I mentioned in info share and its companion have some examples
14:22:37 <addison> ... another possibility is that rather than writing a new document that we write an article
14:22:56 <addison> ... we have essential concepts for character encoding, other topics, could have one
14:23:43 <addison> addison: is the goal to have something in the TR space??
14:23:57 <addison> atsushi: want to refer to definitions from css-ruby
14:23:57 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/ruby/markup.en#mono_group_etc
14:24:15 <addison> ... glossary is one possibility, but something in /TR is desired
14:25:37 <addison> richard: definitions need to cover japanese, chinese, and mongolian
14:25:44 <addison> ... possibly not Korean but maybe
14:26:02 <addison> atsushi: for this time we want to have language-independent
14:26:17 <addison> ... something in simple-ruby is not in our scope
14:28:24 <addison> addison: don't want to force it; using japanese words is okay if there is nothing better (cf. mojibake, ruby)
14:28:44 <addison> richard: some other examples.... at bottom
14:29:02 <addison> ... we've been calling this "tabular ruby" (calls out "layered")
14:29:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:29:56 <addison> atsushi: murata-san's idea was concept independent, not sure where want to go
14:30:20 <addison> richard: when it comes to things like 'para ruby', might be useful, move away from japanese because not explanatory
14:30:32 <addison> ... making more general so fits other languages is a good goal
14:30:50 <addison> ... people who find it think it can be used for glossing text in any language
14:31:00 <addison> ... any interlinear == ruby is not a good idea
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14:31:10 <addison> ... move a little way but not too far
14:31:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:31:40 <addison> atsushi: have both terms, interlinear and ruby? some people complain about mixing
14:32:13 <addison> ... at this moment want broad terms
14:32:23 <atsushi> s/broad/brought/
14:32:45 <fantasai> present+
14:32:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/14-i18n-minutes.html fantasai
14:34:01 <addison> ack fantasai
14:34:23 <addison> fantasai: want to mention if this were a doc on the TR pages
14:34:43 <addison> ... no opinion if in glossary or in a standalone doc
14:35:04 <addison> ... useful to have explanation with terms
14:35:35 <addison> richard: were talking about alternatives, we have an article that explains ruby
14:35:39 <addison> ... 2 more about styling et al
14:35:47 <addison> ... these are other things we can look at
14:36:04 <addison> ... have to have this terms in the i18n-glossary, but it's just a link source, not a doc you'd read
14:36:13 <addison> ... glossary can point out to docs
14:36:27 <addison> (addison points out that it *does* point out)
14:36:51 <addison> fantasai: murata-san's goal is to have it ref from jlreq, clreq, etc. plus outside W3C
14:37:08 <addison> richard: that's what glossary is
14:39:54 <r12a> i18n-glossary
14:39:54 <atsushi> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-glossary/
14:40:35 <addison> richard: too generalized is not helpful
14:40:38 <fantasai> “intermittent ruby”
14:41:12 <addison> ... some sort of term like maybe "inline annotation"
14:41:26 <addison> ... mechanism in ja/zh/etc. is ruby
14:41:50 <addison> fantasai: try to draft a pull request
14:42:06 <addison> richard: ruby is a technique for doing inline annotations
14:42:20 <addison> ... it's a *way* of doing it
14:46:14 <addison> action: atsushi: convert ruby terminology to wiki page for direct comments and track progress for i18n
14:46:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1139 - Convert ruby terminology to wiki page for direct comments and track progress for i18n [on Atsushi Shimono - due 2022-04-21].
14:58:50 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:58:50 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:59:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/14-i18n-minutes.html addison