12:41:14 RRSAgent has joined #rqtf 12:41:14 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/04/06-rqtf-irc 12:41:16 RRSAgent, make logs public 12:41:16 Zakim has joined #rqtf 12:41:18 Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference 12:41:18 Date: 06 April 2022 12:41:26 agenda+ XR Accessibility User Requirements - publication process. 12:41:26 agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings. 12:41:26 agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. 12:41:26 agenda+ Review of draft ethical machine learning consultation document. 12:41:26 agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. 12:41:29 agenda+ Miscellaneous topics. 12:41:40 present+ 12:41:43 chair: jasonjgw 12:50:07 janina has joined #rqtf 12:56:53 agendum 1 = Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements: publication process. 12:58:05 Lionel_Wolberger has joined #rqtf 12:58:17 agenda? 13:01:17 SteveNoble has joined #rqtf 13:01:25 present+ 13:02:14 agenda, order 1 3 2 4 5 6 13:02:20 zakim, next item 13:02:20 agendum 1 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements: publication process. -- taken up 13:02:27 agenda? 13:02:27 scribe: SteveNoble 13:02:41 https://w3c.github.io/saur/ 13:02:57 agenda order 1 3 2 4 5 6 13:03:58 janina: Will send SAUR announcement language to Jason for a last check 13:04:30 janina: Will go for an April 15 publication data 13:04:52 zakim, next item 13:04:52 agendum 3 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:05:41 jasonjgw: A lot of background work has been done 13:06:24 jasonjgw: May want to spilt discussion between legacy issues and new issues 13:06:56 janina: Agree...calling all the old stuff as legacy 13:07:48 janina: Perhaps delete the old conclusions and leave room for new conclusions at a later point 13:08:32 Lionel_Wolberger: That sounds good 13:09:28 Lionel_Wolberger: Update...CloudFare solution, waiting on them for additional input 13:10:01 Reachout to Webauthn: we started with Manu. Next step will be to meet with Manu. 13:10:40 DID - digital identifer 13:10:47 VC - verifiable credential 13:10:59 CCG - credential community group 13:11:26 Non-profit in-person vetting with single-use tokens (150K+ locations, 200M user base) using DID+VC in a (not-very-A11Y) wallet: Manu provide link please. 13:13:10 VC WG "Guidance to enhance Verifiable Credential interoperability --Verifiable Credential Extension Vocabularies"... Manu tell us how this more about how this fits in. 13:14:31 CCG and/or VC WG, socialize our goal to shift the reverse Turing test burden to the user agent and away from the content publishing side. Might pick up some more people interested in helping/implementing. 13:15:55 jasonjgw: Further comments?? 13:16:44 Lionel_Wolberger: Will reach out to Manu on next steps 13:17:56 jasonjgw: anything further on this? 13:18:12 zakim, next item 13:18:13 agendum 2 -- Accessibility of Remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:18:32 Are we ready to publish? 13:18:42 present+ 13:18:43 Lionel thanks the committee and quietly leaves 13:19:18 jasonjgw: Scott is not on call 13:20:40 jasonjgw: Real-time shared editing of documents in the context of a remote meeting is a consideration 13:21:15 janina: Yes 13:21:40 jasonjgw: This may be something we need to discuss 13:21:58 jasonjgw: Perhaps include an editors note on this 13:22:11 jasonjgw: Or should we say more? 13:22:54 janina: There may be a lot to say from the context of different disabilities, where the RTC is involved in document editing 13:23:13 jasonjgw: Collaborative coding might be another 13:23:56 janina: Not so much the accessibility of the editing environment itself, but more on the integration in meetings 13:24:44 janina: Perhaps saying this is an area where much is not known 13:25:23 jasonjgw: Most what exists so far is around the screen-reader user 13:25:36 jasonjgw: But many more use cases exist 13:26:26 jasonjgw: This was raised in email, but no further 13:26:56 jasonjgw: What about including an editors note on this? 13:27:17 jasonjgw: Then decide on publication next week? 13:28:13 janina: The editors note may need to suggest that this topic may need a fuller discussion in another product 13:29:21 jasonjgw: The issue of integrateing RTC with real-time editing creates a lot of cognitive issues. This is something we may want to say in this document 13:29:35 janina: That sounds right 13:30:31 janina: Slow and unreliable internet connectivity impacts this for many people 13:34:05 zakim, next item 13:34:05 agendum 4 -- Review of draft ethical machine learning consultation document. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:34:05 Have seen problematic issues when several are editing a live document in a meeting where some use an app version and other use a web interfact - different behaviors have been noted 13:35:14 jasonjgw: Janina and I attended this session 13:35:47 jasonjgw: The intended audience of the document was not clear 13:36:10 jasonjgw: The elicited comments from workshop participants 13:36:23 jasonjgw: These comments are being compiled 13:36:47 jasonjgw: There working draft is on github 13:37:06 https://webmachinelearning.github.io/ethical-webmachinelearning/ 13:38:04 janina: There seemed to be more stress placed on local machine solution vs cloud 13:38:55 jasonjgw: The technology being developed is an API for running machine learning inference on the user device 13:39:50 jasonjgw: It is not clear how efficient this could run on a local device (large memory and processing requirements) 13:40:32 jasonjgw: But training the machine learning will still need to be remote 13:41:06 jasonjgw: To train machine learning would mean exposing personal information 13:42:23 janina: Example of getting interactive map applications to not download images could pose release of disability inferance 13:43:09 jasonjgw: Problem when preference settings in these tools get exposed in the cloud 13:44:31 janina: Problems of policy decisions being left to corporate actors 13:45:29 jasonjgw: So far not much in regulations exist 13:46:54 jasonjgw: We may need to look at research ethics practices which could be applied to this discussion (bioethics?) 13:48:04 jasonjgw: Plans of the group is to synthesize the results of the workshop discussions 13:48:32 jasonjgw: Likely they will update their draft accordingly 13:49:52 janina: Will want to pull in Jutta Treviranus on this 13:55:23 jasonjgw: Will watch for updates from the workshop folks 13:55:50 zakim, next item 13:55:50 agendum 5 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:56:21 jasonjgw: Nothing to report at this point 13:56:31 zakim, close item 5 13:56:31 agendum 5, Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements., closed 13:56:33 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 13:56:33 6. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw] 13:56:40 zakim, next item 13:56:40 agendum 6 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw] 13:58:13 jasonjgw: Nothing really to bring up 13:59:52 zakim, bye 13:59:53 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, SteveNoble, Lionel_Wolberger 13:59:53 Zakim has left #rqtf 14:00:07 rrsagent, make minutes 14:00:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/06-rqtf-minutes.html jasonjgw 14:01:32 becky has joined #rqtf