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13:50:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:50:15 <trackbot> Date: 06 April 2022
13:50:18 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
13:50:30 <Matthew_Atkinson> Chair:  Matthew
13:50:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:50:35 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:50:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:50:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:50:46 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:50:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ FAST and Maturity Model Deliverables Update
13:50:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:50:54 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:50:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ TPAC (12-16 September) Planning
13:50:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Other Business
13:51:02 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ be done
13:51:08 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
13:51:11 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
13:51:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/06-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
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14:01:19 <Roy> present+
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14:02:17 <becky> present?
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14:03:40 <iali> present+
14:03:43 <Fredrik> Hello Becky!
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14:03:49 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, who's here
14:03:49 <Zakim> Matthew_Atkinson, you need to end that query with '?'
14:03:49 <Fazio> present+
14:03:52 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, who's here?
14:03:52 <Zakim> Present: Matthew_Atkinson, Fredrik, Roy, iali, Fazio
14:03:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see Gottfried, Fazio, iali, becky, Fredrik, Zakim, RRSAgent, Matthew_Atkinson, Roy, kirkwood, stevelee, tzviya, florian, janina, MichaelC, ada, manu, spectranaut, ZoeBijl,
14:03:54 <Zakim> ... slightlyoff, cwilso, tink, Rachael, trackbot, jcraig, jamesn, dmontalvo
14:03:55 <becky> present+
14:03:59 <Gottfried> present+
14:03:59 <janina> present+
14:03:59 <MichaelC> present+
14:04:42 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, who's here?
14:04:42 <Zakim> Present: Matthew_Atkinson, Fredrik, Roy, iali, Fazio, becky, Gottfried, janina, MichaelC
14:04:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see Gottfried, Fazio, iali, becky, Fredrik, Zakim, RRSAgent, Matthew_Atkinson, Roy, kirkwood, stevelee, tzviya, florian, janina, MichaelC, ada, manu, spectranaut, ZoeBijl,
14:04:45 <Zakim> ... slightlyoff, cwilso, tink, Rachael, trackbot, jcraig, jamesn, dmontalvo
14:05:03 <Gottfried> scribe: me
14:05:08 <Gottfried> scribe: Gottfried
14:05:24 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:05:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/06-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:05:29 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:05:29 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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14:05:37 <Jonny_James> present+
14:06:05 <Gottfried> Nothing special.
14:06:09 <Gottfried> zakim, close this item
14:06:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:06:10 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:06:10 <Zakim> 2. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:06:11 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:06:11 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:06:34 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/325
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14:06:44 <MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/wasm-2022.html
14:06:48 <mike_beganyi> present+
14:06:57 <Gottfried> MichaelC: Web Assembly, recharter
14:07:16 <Gottfried> ... No liaison to us. Too low-level.
14:07:27 <Gottfried> ... Let it go.
14:08:38 <Gottfried> janina: How to handle formal objections. Came up in discussion: Why not review by membership?
14:08:53 <Gottfried> MichaelC: Membership does review as part of public review.
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14:09:10 <Lionel_Wolberger_> 	rrsagent, make minutes
14:09:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/06-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger_
14:09:14 <Lionel_Wolberger_> q?
14:09:14 <Gottfried> janina: And approved by AC.
14:09:18 <Lionel_Wolberger_> present+
14:09:18 <Fredrik> q+
14:09:41 <Gottfried> MichaelC: AC is the latest opportunity.  Better ealier.
14:10:06 <Gottfried> Fredrik: Is "membership" regarding W3C?
14:10:25 <Gottfried> MichaelC: Membership refers to W3C membership.  Individuals otherwise.
14:10:27 <Fredrik>  q-
14:10:29 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:10:30 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:10:44 <Gottfried> MichaelC: No activity this week.
14:11:04 <Gottfried> zakim, close this item
14:11:04 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:11:05 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:11:05 <Zakim> 4. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:11:07 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:11:07 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:11:39 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Region_Capture
14:11:44 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/mediacapture-region/
14:12:13 <Gottfried> MichaelC: Region Capture defines a way to capture of content of another part of the same browser window.
14:12:29 <Gottfried> ... I think it does not introduce any new a11y problems. No need to review.
14:12:37 <Gottfried> janina: Agree
14:12:59 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/MiniApp_Addressing
14:13:06 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/miniapp-addressing/
14:14:31 <Gottfried> Roy: I can review this.
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14:15:07 <Gottfried> MichaelC: A URI scheme specific to mini apps. Maybe no a11y concerns?
14:15:20 <Gottfried> Roy: I don't have any a11y concerns, but i can double-check.
14:16:15 <Gottfried> ACTION: Roy to review Mini App Addressing, https://www.w3.org/TR/miniapp-addressing/
14:16:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2322 - Review mini app addressing, https://www.w3.org/tr/miniapp-addressing/ [on Ruoxi Ran - due 2022-04-13].
14:16:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:16:59 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:16:59 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:17:18 <Gottfried> MichaelC: Nothing new to bring up.
14:17:41 <Gottfried> Matthew_Atkinson: I need to contribute as well.
14:17:44 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:17:44 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, Gottfried
14:17:49 <Gottfried> zakim, close this item
14:17:49 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
14:17:50 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:17:50 <Zakim> 6. FAST and Maturity Model Deliverables Update [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:17:53 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:17:53 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- FAST and Maturity Model Deliverables Update -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:18:54 <Gottfried> Matthew_Atkinson: Josh is not a W3C staff member anymore, and is on holiday this week.
14:19:09 <Gottfried> janina: Maturity model is still getting organized.
14:20:09 <Gottfried> janina: Next Wed at this hour we need to organize this. Let me know when you want to participate.
14:20:33 <Gottfried> s/when/if
14:20:47 <Gottfried> janina: Separate mailing list of rtqf?
14:22:18 <Gottfried> Gottfried: My staff member is doing her doctoral thesis on this topic. Can she join?
14:22:24 <Gottfried> janina: Make her an IE.
14:22:35 <Gottfried> ... But she can join as a guest first.
14:22:49 <Gottfried> s/at this hour/after this hour
14:22:49 <Matthew_Atkinson> https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/index.html
14:23:15 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:23:15 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:23:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: RQTF
14:24:02 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel gives the rrsagent/zakim gold star award to Matt.
14:24:28 <Gottfried> rsagent, make minutes
14:25:03 <Gottfried> janina: Resolution was to target publication by April 15.
14:25:25 <Gottfried> ... We are still cleaning up, Shawn to review.
14:26:08 <Gottfried> ... This will be an updated wd for wide review.
14:26:18 <Gottfried> ... We got a lot of comments to address.
14:26:44 <iali> rrsagent, make minutes
14:26:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/06-apa-minutes.html iali
14:27:54 <Gottfried> janina: Updated wd on remote meetings. At a meeting people were actively updating a shared document.
14:28:10 <Gottfried> ... However, collaborative editors have limited accessibility support.
14:28:13 <Fazio> Here's the W3C Accessibility Maturity Model Github Page: https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/
14:28:21 <Gottfried> ... We should include this as an editor's note in the doc.
14:29:45 <Gottfried> subtopic: Pronunciation
14:30:19 <Gottfried> iali: Nothing new here.
14:30:42 <Gottfried> ... Another topic is about the membership. Is ADP a W3C member?
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14:31:11 <Gottfried> ... ADP is a big payment provider.
14:31:17 <janina> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List
14:31:51 <Gottfried> s/payment/payroll
14:32:52 <Gottfried> janina: If a person is donating their own time instead of ADP time, this could be a case for IE.
14:32:59 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/apa/instructions
14:33:09 <Gottfried> ... The person needs to fill out this form.
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14:33:24 <Gottfried> iali: I need to follow up with the person.
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14:33:55 <Gottfried> subtopic: Coga
14:34:23 <Gottfried> dsinger: Nothing new. Working on How to make content usable for UI.
14:34:47 <Gottfried> Matthew_Atkinson: Update the UI or the content of the doc?
14:35:17 <Gottfried> Fazio: Need to bring this up to the team.
14:35:34 <Gottfried> Matthew_Atkinson: Easier to read is great.
14:35:38 <Gottfried> subtopic: Personalization
14:36:20 <Roy> Cognitive Accessibility Guidance list: https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG2/supplemental/#cognitiveaccessibilityguidance
14:36:21 <Gottfried> Lionel_Wolberger_: Focused on getting a name. Meeting with WAI coordination group.
14:36:56 <Gottfried> ... Pushed back on i18n.
14:37:05 <Gottfried> ... Want to write something on symbols.
14:37:25 <Fazio> q+
14:37:33 <Gottfried> ... Waiting for Janina to move this on.
14:37:59 <Roy> q+
14:38:10 <Gottfried> janina: It is on the agenda.
14:38:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Fazio
14:38:40 <Gottfried> Lionel_Wolberger_: Specification allows to specify a personalized symbol via a Bliss symbol id.
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14:39:03 <Gottfried> ... This Bliss id can be reused to specify any symbol.
14:39:43 <Gottfried> ... Consulting with AAC experts: Only markup short sentences, not complete books or chapters.
14:39:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> For background, this is the specific issue: https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144
14:40:03 <Gottfried> ... If these persons have long texts to read, they would watch a video, not reading a long text with symbols.
14:40:27 <Gottfried> ... We spoke with AAC experts, involved with AAC daily practice.
14:40:43 <Gottfried> Fazio: We should really involve AAC users.  Nothing about us without us.
14:41:09 <Gottfried> ... I have a contact who has a Masters.
14:41:27 <Gottfried> ... We can send out a request to a cerebral palsy org or similar.
14:42:17 <Gottfried> janina: Can you do this ahead of CR? But we should not hold up this spec.
14:42:36 <Gottfried> janina: Let's do this in CR.
14:43:14 <Gottfried> ... It is a philosophical disagreement.
14:43:39 <Gottfried> Lionel_Wolberger_: I like David's suggestion, and as chair of this tf want to follow up on that.
14:43:52 <Gottfried> janina: We have this expertise in Coga, right?
14:44:00 <Gottfried> Fazio: I will check next meeting.
14:44:34 <Gottfried> Matthew_Atkinson: We appreciate the suggestion to involve real AAC users.
14:44:40 <Gottfried> ... It probably has to be done during CR.
14:44:51 <Gottfried> janina: We had Coga meetings on this spec.
14:45:31 <Gottfried> Lionel_Wolberger_: I would like to contact David's contact directly on this question.
14:46:07 <Gottfried> Matthew_Atkinson: We should bring this up in coga. Good to improve the process from now on.
14:46:12 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:46:12 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Gottfried
14:46:14 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel sends regrets, has to leave early, and quietly walks out the virtual exit door.
14:46:22 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:46:39 <Roy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-announce/2022JanMar/0005.html
14:47:08 <Gottfried> Roy: Post on "Cognitive Accessibility Design Patterns - New User Interface"
14:48:28 <Gottfried> ... I can give some information on personalization issue 144. Can talk to Philipp and explain the situation of going into CR without having resolved this issue.
14:48:46 <Gottfried> janina: That is important for the coordination call. Thank you.
14:48:54 <becky> https://github.com/w3c/virtual-keyboard/issues/15
14:49:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Roy
14:49:33 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
14:49:33 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:49:37 <Roy> s/and explain the situation of going into CR without having resolved this issue.//
14:49:50 <becky> https://github.com/w3c/virtual-keyboard/issues/15
14:50:40 <Gottfried> becky: Confusion of whether the virtual keyboard is overlaying page content.
14:50:58 <Gottfried> ... In this case, it might be difficult to get behind the virtual keyboard to read the content.
14:51:24 <Gottfried> ... I discussed, but the response was not satisfactory. They said that this can happen with other elements (e.g. drop-down) as well.
14:51:44 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:52:09 <Gottfried> ... I argued that the difference is that you can move the focus off a drop-down, but not for the virtual keyboard.
14:52:38 <Gottfried> Matthew_Atkinson:This seems to violate WCAG.
14:52:58 <janina> q+
14:53:05 <janina> ack Matthew_Atkinson
14:53:09 <Gottfried> ... Focusable stuff behind the keyboard is not okay. This is covered in another spec.
14:53:22 <Gottfried> ... We should respond to this.
14:53:35 <Gottfried> janina: They are building in a WCAG failure.
14:54:05 <Gottfried> ... We should phrase this as an APA comment on the spec, and make a consensus call.
14:54:20 <Gottfried> ... We need to catch this.
14:54:45 <Gottfried> ... Becky, can you draft a message?
14:54:57 <Roy> q+
14:55:15 <Gottfried> Matthew_Atkinson: We should park the other action items until next week.
14:55:40 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2317
14:55:53 <Gottfried> action-2317?
14:55:53 <trackbot> action-2317 -- Janina Sajka to Review miniapps -- due 2022-02-02 -- OPEN
14:55:53 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2317
14:56:10 <Roy> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/pull/53/files
14:56:29 <Gottfried> Roy: Janina should not only look at the normative stuff, because they have changed some sections.
14:56:42 <Gottfried> ... Please review the version on github.
14:56:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:56:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack janina
14:56:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Roy
14:57:00 <Roy> ack me
14:57:03 <Gottfried> Matthew_Atkinson: Meeting adjourned
14:58:26 <Gottfried> zakim, bye
14:58:26 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Matthew_Atkinson, Fredrik, Roy, iali, Fazio, becky, Gottfried, janina, MichaelC, Jonny_James, mike_beganyi, Lionel_Wolberger_
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14:58:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/04/06-apa-minutes.html Gottfried
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