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16:02:42 <Zakim> Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference
16:03:06 <ted> Chair: Peter, Ted
16:03:26 <ted> Present+ Ulf, Adnan, Peter, Ted, Paul, Erik
16:03:29 <ted> Topic: AMM
16:05:45 <ted> Ted: Adnan, welcome back from vacation - sorry to have been harassing you but we're keen on getting demo of BMW's VISS at AMM
16:05:58 <ted> Adnan: we'll be there, trick will be timing
16:06:53 <ted> Ted: Ulf has presented VISS a couple times. point we're at is trying to get wider feedback, encourage experimentation or adoption
16:07:21 <ted> … I've been harassing Peter about Volvo's experiment and trying to learn from Erik what Bosch intends since they implemented v1
16:07:33 <ted> Peter: conversation resuming, there is interest in VISS
16:07:54 <ted> … how many do we need to advance?
16:07:56 <ted> Ted: two
16:10:30 <ted> Adnan: need to get a green light from our communications department
16:11:19 <ted> Present+ Carine
16:11:35 <ted> Paul: wouldn't this fit as part of CVII track on Thursday?
16:11:53 <ted> Ted: yes
16:12:30 <ted> Ulf: Ted and I would be fine with a half an hour
16:13:13 <ted> Adnan: we could do 20-30 minutes, have about 8 slides and could include our GraphQL version and vehicle emulator
16:16:42 <ted> Topic: Inverse Range Filtering
16:16:43 <ted> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/450
16:17:28 <ted> Ulf: in filtering we support either open or bound range
16:18:35 <ted> … my thought was it would be interesting to have inverse filtering, receive values when outside of boundary region
16:18:53 <ted> … that isn't possible today but could be with this proposal
16:19:25 <ted> … you can have two bounding expressions logically OR
16:19:56 <ted> … we didn't have operand expression before, it was always implicitly AND
16:20:13 <ted> … we discussed before but wanted to give people time to reflect more
16:21:22 <ted> Peter: I think it is worth having
16:21:49 <ted> … do you want it in there now or later version (v3)?
16:22:10 <ted> Ulf: it is fairly minor to add to spec or implement so would prefer it now
16:22:17 <ted> Peter: I'm for it
16:22:46 <ted> Erik: my potential concern is "is it sufficient?" or do we need to support more complex scenario
16:24:30 <ted> Ulf: I see some value for rudimentary inverse boundary
16:25:09 <ted> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/03/08-auto-minutes.html#t02 previous discussion of this issue
16:25:29 <ted> Erik: I agree it is useful, question is whether we should support more advanced use cases
16:25:59 <ted> Ulf: that we can discuss more in v3 perhaps instead of trying to define now
16:28:00 <ted> Ted: my comment previously was similar to Erik's, ability to handle more complex but fine if we do that later
16:28:18 <ted> … other question was whether this feature is mandatory or optional?
16:28:57 <ted> Ulf: I think it depends on whether range itself is mandatory. my proposal is to make a PR and present back
16:29:45 <ted> Adnan: do you also look at frequency of updates, say every 10th value you want back?
16:29:55 <ted> Ulf: we do time interval
16:30:21 <ted> Adnan: on change supported as well?
16:30:44 <ted> Ulf: yes, we have such a filter when a value changes more than some set number
16:32:35 <ted> Erik: I just added a comment to this issue, would it be worth having an XOR?
16:33:00 <ted> Ulf: I wanted to keep it simpler for now, avoid too much complexity to implement
16:33:31 <ted> Erik: this approach might be helpful if we later want more capability
16:33:58 <ted> Ulf: I want to hear more from early adopters on what is needed or useful before adding
16:34:11 <ted> … they're quite interesting ideas but still think not now
16:34:25 <ted> … we're in agreement on moving forward
16:34:39 <ted> Topic: PR
16:34:57 <ted> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/pull/451
16:35:05 <ted> Erik: it is more or less just link fixes
16:35:20 <ted> Ulf: yes, looks like just cross linking
16:36:15 <ted> … earlier Wonsuk improved cross-referencing links which we accepted and inclined to do the same here
16:36:50 <ted> Erik: can we see the result easily for this PR to be able to check they do what they're intended
16:37:16 <ted> Ulf: I think it is possible to test with rawgit rendered based on the branch
16:40:24 <ted> Ted: the links should work against current, published version (spot check confirms)
16:40:31 <ted> Ulf: let's accept then
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