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13:43:26 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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13:43:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:43:32 <trackbot> Date: 31 March 2022
13:43:39 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:43:44 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/83b1d2d3-7389-437a-b0d5-32441827a9a3/20220331T150000
13:43:44 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:43:44 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:43:44 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:43:46 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:43:48 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:43:50 <agendabot> agenda+ Specdev text regarding identifiers
13:43:53 <agendabot> agenda+ Response to TAG
13:43:55 <agendabot> agenda+ CSS Text pending issues
13:43:57 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:44:16 <addison> agenda+ Make autospace a property, rather than a value of text-spacing
13:44:26 <addison> agenda+ Two SVG issues
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14:00:03 <addison> agenda- Fuqiao
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14:01:35 <addison> agenda?
14:01:51 <addison> zakim, delete agendum 11
14:01:51 <Zakim> agendum 11, Fuqiao, dropped
14:01:57 <addison> agenda?
14:02:39 <JcK> present+ JcK
14:03:16 <Bert> scribe+
14:03:40 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:03:40 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:03:42 <addison> agenda?
14:04:22 <addison> agenda+ Canvas formatted text
14:05:13 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:05:13 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:23 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:05:43 <Bert> action-1017?
14:05:43 <trackbot> action-1017 -- Addison Phillips to Send wpwg list of specs that implement lang/dir -- due 2021-04-22 -- OPEN
14:05:43 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1017
14:05:56 <Bert> addison: I send email
14:06:06 <Bert> s/send/sent/
14:06:41 <Bert> action-1109?
14:06:41 <trackbot> action-1109 -- Addison Phillips to Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions -- due 2022-01-27 -- OPEN
14:06:41 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1109
14:06:57 <Bert> addison: Please, go through your comments!
14:07:17 <Bert> action-1127?
14:07:17 <trackbot> action-1127 -- Addison Phillips to Check thread on urls for language tags -- due 2022-03-17 -- OPEN
14:07:17 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1127
14:07:36 <Bert> addison: We may want to talk to Unicode.
14:07:41 <Bert> action-1129?
14:07:41 <trackbot> action-1129 -- Addison Phillips to Review httpapi-linkset for concerns -- due 2022-03-24 -- OPEN
14:07:41 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1129
14:07:48 <Bert> addison: still pending
14:07:58 <Bert> action-1131?
14:07:58 <trackbot> action-1131 -- Richard Ishida to Follow up on personalization-semantics #144 with commentary discussed in telecon -- due 2022-03-24 -- OPEN
14:07:58 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1131
14:08:07 <Bert> r12a: Did that.
14:08:19 <Bert> addison: Any kind of followup?
14:08:36 <Bert> xfq: They said this was their last CR blocker, so they want a quick response.
14:09:03 <addison> close action-1131
14:09:03 <trackbot> Closed action-1131.
14:09:07 <Bert> r12a: They haven't replied to us yet.
14:09:12 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:09:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:10:13 <Bert> r12a: I published something about probouncing Ukrainian names.
14:10:13 <r12a> https://twitter.com/r12a/status/1508711661468798980
14:10:31 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:10:31 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:10:33 <Bert> s/probouncing/pronouncing
14:10:40 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:11:30 <Bert> addison: We got a request to review WebGPU. Who wants to review it?
14:11:55 <Bert> ... They did a checklist. So they probably want an i18n request.
14:12:11 <Bert> r12a: It's actually two documents.
14:13:10 <Bert> atsushi: First published last May, but the WD and the ED should be the same.
14:13:35 <Bert> xfq: I can review it.
14:15:02 <Bert> addison: About Secure Payment Confirmation: I have comments, but only about language metadata. What to do? Wait for the TAG's opinion on that matter?
14:15:09 <addison> action: addison: contact ian about spc comments vs. tag conversation
14:15:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1132 - Contact ian about spc comments vs. tag conversation [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-04-07].
14:15:16 <Bert> r12a: Ask Ian if they can wait longer?
14:15:36 <addison> agenda?
14:15:52 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:15:52 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Specdev text regarding identifiers -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:16:02 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/61
14:16:26 <addison> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/aphillips/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/61.html#markup_identifiers
14:17:00 <Bert> addison: We discussed last time. I made updates. Moved the mustard higher up. Ready to merge?
14:17:22 <Bert> ... Anybody needs more time to look at it?
14:17:26 <atsushi> +1 (read offline)
14:17:40 <Bert> xfq: I looked and it looks good.
14:17:48 <Bert> addison: So publish?
14:17:55 <addison> action: addison: merge specdev pull 61 and publish
14:17:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1133 - Merge specdev pull 61 and publish [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-04-07].
14:17:56 <Bert> r12a: Yes
14:18:51 <Bert> ... We had a problem before with the GitHub create checkbox, class name. Your merge will not oberwrite that?
14:18:54 <addison> agenda?
14:19:06 <Bert> addison: No, I merged previously.
14:19:13 <xfq> s/oberwrite/overwrite
14:19:22 <Bert> r12a: Might want to test it anyway.
14:19:29 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 12
14:19:29 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- Canvas formatted text -- taken up [from addison]
14:19:36 <xfq> https://github.com/WICG/canvas-formatted-text/issues/36
14:20:50 <Bert> xfq: We discussed this before and Addison commented. Currently it is a tracker issue. Do we want to chnage that? Also, I saw there were suggestions about terminology, what were they?
14:21:27 <Bert> addison: Mostly about Unicode jargon: grapheme cluster, code point, etc.
14:21:45 <addison> action: addison: create PR against canvas formatted text
14:21:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1134 - Create pr against canvas formatted text [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-04-07].
14:23:14 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:23:14 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Make autospace a property, rather than a value of text-spacing -- taken up [from addison]
14:23:27 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2022Mar/0015.html
14:23:39 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7183
14:25:02 <Bert> r12a: Wondering if people have an opinion.
14:25:28 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-css3-text-20110412/#text-autospace-prop
14:25:32 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-css3-text-20110901/#text-autospace
14:25:41 <Bert> xfq: What r12a says in the issue makes sense.
14:25:54 <xfq> ^ compare these two drafts
14:26:35 <Bert> r12a: People get dazzled. I think there are multiple things going on, spacing marks, auto-spacing... CSS kind of lumped them together.
14:26:48 <Bert> xfq: And there is also justification.
14:27:01 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/jpan/#letterspace
14:27:23 <Bert> r12a: I tried to describe how it works here ^^
14:27:37 <Bert> ... And it was easier to explain when split.
14:28:00 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4246
14:28:32 <Bert> addison: Tag this as "needs-resolution"?
14:29:08 <Bert> xfq: There some 700 possible combinations of values.
14:29:57 <Bert> xfq: In #6915
14:30:28 <xfq> s/6915/6950/
14:30:32 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6950
14:30:54 <Bert> xfq: I agree it should be "needs-resolution".
14:31:03 <Bert> addison: Any objections?
14:31:15 <r12a> ACTION: RI to add to issue https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7183 that need to allow numbers and alphas to behave separately too - and mark as needs-resolution
14:31:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1135 - Add to issue https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7183 that need to allow numbers and alphas to behave separately too - and mark as needs-resolution [on Richard Ishida - due 2022-04-07].
14:31:19 <Bert> ... r12a, can you do that?
14:31:56 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:31:56 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- CSS Text pending issues -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:32:39 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1472
14:33:39 <xfq> s/of values/of values for text-spacing/
14:34:43 <Bert> r12a: A lang value would allow breaking at word boundaries in Japanese. In Thai, people would like to be able to turn it off.
14:35:13 <Bert> ... In some SE Asian script, you'd need to recognize syllables instead.
14:35:22 <Bert> s/script/scripts
14:36:06 <Bert> ... The proposed property 'word-boudary-detection' for CSS has a language as value.
14:36:33 <Bert> ... I think that is weird. You already know the language.
14:37:46 <Bert> ... Fantasai said it was intended to specify for *which* language it was turned on, not to select a language to use the rules from.
14:38:13 <Bert> ... Could have a list of several languages.
14:39:17 <Bert> +1
14:39:29 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1473
14:40:02 <Bert> resolution: make 1472 into a comment.
14:41:07 <Bert> r12a: A word boundary should be invisible to justification.
14:41:22 <addison> agenda?
14:41:30 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
14:41:30 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Two SVG issues -- taken up [from addison]
14:41:31 <Bert> resolved: 1473 also accepted as comment.
14:41:40 <r12a> ACTION: RI send css-text issues with needs-resolution label
14:41:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1136 - Send css-text issues with needs-resolution label [on Richard Ishida - due 2022-04-07].
14:41:53 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/209
14:42:04 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/587
14:42:42 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/pull/522/files
14:43:18 <atsushi> +1
14:43:18 <Bert> xfq: We said they should mention Grapheme Cluster. They said they already linked to CSS. Are we OK with that?
14:43:32 <Bert> addison: Looks good to me.
14:44:36 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/587
14:44:36 <Bert> xfq: I will reply and close the issue.
14:46:16 <Bert> xfq: They changed to match language tags case-insensitively. They don't say ASCII-case-insensitive, but language tags are normally ASCII. Good enough?
14:46:54 <Bert> addison: Looks good to me.
14:46:54 <atsushi> +1 either w/ or w/o
14:47:30 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/commit/4595f3527f71fe10420af55941b2303c28ac1418
14:48:21 <Bert> atsushi: Should we ask to change line 1654 in ^^ ?
14:48:53 <Bert> r12a: Seems fine as is.
14:49:10 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:49:10 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Response to TAG -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:49:12 <Bert> xfq: I will reply and close the issue.
14:49:30 <addison> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/716
14:52:20 <Bert> addison: I could probably do some code example, as requested in a comment.
14:52:23 <addison> agenda?
14:52:45 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/360
14:52:49 <addison> Topic: indexed-db issue
14:53:00 <Bert> xfq: I have an Indexed DB issue
14:53:20 <Bert> ... About unique key
14:53:42 <Bert> ... I see r12a is satisfied with their resolution. Are we satisfied?
14:54:20 <Bert> addison: It is not an i18n issue.
14:55:05 <Bert> r12a: And the tag I added was just to sync the repos. OK to close it.
14:55:20 <Bert> resolved: close issue 360
14:55:38 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:55:38 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:56:26 <Bert> Adjourned.
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