IRC log of coga on 2022-03-31
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- Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 31 March 2022
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- Regrets: EA, Albert, Kris Anne
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- Agenda+ Updates and Actions. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#
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- Agenda+ Update on WCAG 3 and testing
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- Agenda+ Gaudenship draft https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oNrl_kghy8J1Pab-L1a_XNZr4YsIMrbEgYuttOCvtFo/edit#
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- present+
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- present+
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- scribe: Jennie
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- zakem, next item
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- David, could you please drop the the link for that study you were talking about? I'd love to take a look.
- 14:01:20 [julierawe]
- present+
- 14:01:29 [lisa]
- zakem, next item
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Updates and Actions. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit# -- taken up [from lisa]
- 14:02:08 [ShawnT]
- present+
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- Lisa: EO document
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- 14:02:19 [Jennie]
- ...It is looking good. We still have to work on it a bit more.
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- present+
- 14:02:30 [Jennie]
- ...Julie - do you want to organize a meeting for next week?
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- q+
- 14:02:58 [Jennie]
- Julie: Yes, I will send around another survey. I will send a calendar invite once we agree on a time.
- 14:03:00 [Rain]
- ack Rain
- 14:03:11 [lisa]
- ack next
- 14:03:12 [Jennie]
- Rain: We have an issue now around the personas
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- Issue regarding EO personas: https://github.com/w3c/wai-people-use-web/issues/226
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- present+
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- Rain: They had asked that we publish it as a formal issue on github so they can track it
- 14:03:36 [Jennie]
- ...Lisa, I tagged you on it
- 14:03:43 [Jennie]
- ...It is also on our timeline document as well
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- ...Please feel free to add to the issue if you would like to
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- Lisa: We still have the document that Julie's taking the lead with
- 14:04:18 [Jennie]
- ...and we have these other comments. That's fantastic.
- 14:04:26 [Jennie]
- ...The other 2 items are at good places.
- 14:04:53 [Jennie]
- ...David F has been doing work on the mental health - it would be great if you could put it somewhere
- 14:04:59 [Jennie]
- David F: Can someone email me the link?
- 14:05:10 [Jennie]
- Lisa: I will put it on my to-do list.
- 14:05:16 [Jennie]
- ...Jennie will give a review later.
- 14:05:46 [Jennie]
- Julie: The Google form was shared last week with the COGA team.
- 14:05:48 [Fazio]
- Schizophrenia and internet use paper: https://europepmc.org/article/MED/21169176
- 14:06:02 [Jennie]
- ...There are now 2 ways to submit examples: use the Google form, or use the Google doc
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- ...Any example submitted will be debated by the team
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- ...Clear language examples
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- ...Anywhere you submit an example is locked down (non-public) so you can submit live examples
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- ...If we decide to include any example in a draft we share with the public we will anonymize it
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- Lisa: Link for the Google form for Clear Language?
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- https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1SLEcmo40iiExe9eWiV424XW4kn7BH2aQ0ZtlvjaxRus/edit
- 14:07:22 [Jennie]
- ...They don't have headings indicating which are for the community group or the task force
- 14:07:37 [Jennie]
- ...We have also asked if everyone can submit 2 examples - that is really helpful for us
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- ...They can be good examples, bad examples, or those that need discussion
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- q+
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- Julie: Thank you for pointing out that the Google form - I adjusted the title so it is clearer. The one above is the task force one
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- q?
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- Le: Everything is fine with my tasks
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- Lisa: There was another item sent to the list - our work statement
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- present+
- 14:09:23 [Jennie]
- ...We reviewed the work statement, it went both to APA and to the AG working group
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- ...They both approved it
- 14:09:35 [Jennie]
- ...It is now online as the new work statement of what we are doing
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- ...Thank you Roy for putting that up!
- 14:09:46 [Jennie]
- ...Now we want to work on it, achieve it
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- ...Well done everyone!
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/work-statement
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- zakim, next item
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, lisa
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- ack next
- 14:10:48 [Jennie]
- Rashmi: I have made some changes in the Clear document example - should I share that form?
- 14:11:01 [Jennie]
- Lisa: We have a task force meeting afterwards, so I have not put it on the agenda today
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- ...If we have time at the end of the meeting, we can review it then
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Update on WCAG 3 and testing -- taken up [from lisa]
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- ...I am using it
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- Lisa: We will move to the next item until Rachael joins
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- scribe: Rain
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- zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3 -- Gaudenship draft https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oNrl_kghy8J1Pab-L1a_XNZr4YsIMrbEgYuttOCvtFo/edit# -- taken up [from lisa]
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- Jennie: sharing guardianship draft doc
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- q?
- 14:13:38 [Rain]
- ... took all suggestions and starting to go through to incorporate them. When two conflicted, we merged the concepts together
- 14:13:49 [Rain]
- ... example, took both problem statements to ensure that we had both concepts included
- 14:14:05 [Rain]
- ... now a couple things left to resolve. Will go through those after reviewing the structure
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- Guardianship document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oNrl_kghy8J1Pab-L1a_XNZr4YsIMrbEgYuttOCvtFo/edit#heading=h.5udnukkm2ygf
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- Jennie: structure review, start with the Goal
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- ... changed the document to reflect the goals of the document
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- present+
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- ... people in a person's life may also require cognitive support
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- ... spoke through different types of requests for people who are in the community groups
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- Jennie: first unresolved comment
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- ... vulnerability is a consideration
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- ... if a person is vulnerable in any way,
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- ... want to verify that having two examples of vulnerability are helpful
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- +1
- 14:17:42 [Rain]
- ... example 1: robo calls and phishing attacks targeting adults with cognitive challenges
- 14:17:49 [ShawnT]
- +1
- 14:17:51 [Rain]
- ... would like to remove "other"
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- +1
- 14:18:07 [lisa]
- +1
- 14:18:16 [Rain]
- ... general agreement in the chat, so removing the word "other"
- 14:18:31 [Rain]
- Julie: see two examples in the paragraph, so want to suggest considering turning them into bullet points for easier skimming
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- Jennie: doing that not
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- Jennie: second suggestion, in online interactions, when identity is available through publications people they might encounter who are not part of their daily interactions may become aware of them
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- ... so individuals who participate may become a target
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- ... any concerns?
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- Lisa: need to clarify language, and in W3C, person's identity is available in publications
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- Jennie: we've been using the word publications to include W3C, so adding official notes, meeting minutes, use case publications
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- ... enough to give the idea without listing every kind of publication
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- Jennie: if a person is not savvy about publishing their name, then what can happen is that they may not be aware that someone can search the internet and find their address
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- Le: yes, we ran into that a couple of years ago, where states started publishing tax reports
- 14:22:05 [Rain]
- ... so if someone owns a home, you can get their address from their name
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- Q?
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- Lisa: how about "this can be important if the person's address is findable on the internet"
- 14:23:06 [Rain]
- ... was not the point I was making
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- ... discussing challenges, and what people do for security, what they do isn't secure
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- ... have to make very sure that that doesn't happen
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- ... example of a potential issue, that now people know that someone writes their password and puts them next to their desk
- 14:24:41 [lisa]
- I like how it looks now
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- Jennie: what we may need to clarify that individuals may not be aware that people are reading the minutes, so what they share can impact their safety
- 14:25:08 [Rain]
- ... may need to qualify how we write it be specific to cognitive
- 14:25:35 [Rain]
- ... could we qualify "related to disability" to sharing use case and address being findable to highlight the difference for people with cognitive disabilities doing these tasks
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- Lisa: not sure we need to spell it out, because disability information is sensitive no matter what kind of disability it is
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- ... I think this says enough
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- Jennie: okay, then going to accept the suggestion that we have and that will resolve the issue
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- Jennie: suggestion from Michael Cooper, note that this applies to participants in non public groups but where the content is public
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- ... W3C may at its discretion grant member access to confidential information
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- MichaelC: I'm not sure this applies in this situation
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- Jennie: one of John Kirkwood's concerns was where one person in a corporation grants ability to participate to others in their corporation who are not part of the group itself
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- MichaelC: refers to member confidential groups. None of the WAI groups are member confidential
- 14:29:29 [Rain]
- ... for all groups we are talking about, not sure this is relevant
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- ... more complex if we are also trying to talk about member confidentiality
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- Jennie: challenge we were having is how to scope the document. Not just relevant to COGA, but to any W3C group
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- ... went through remainder of comments, and broke out the suggestions into Recommendations headings, with proposed
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- ... pieces that apply to before you become a member, ways to help people participate, and support person or organization option
- 14:31:10 [MichaelC]
- q+ to talk procedure and tooling
- 14:31:45 [lisa]
- ack next
- 14:31:46 [Zakim]
- MichaelC, you wanted to talk procedure and tooling
- 14:32:02 [Rain]
- MichaelC: do we need some kind of proceedure or tooling?
- 14:32:17 [Rain]
- ... what do we need official tools for, and what can we do by improving procedures?
- 14:32:25 [Rain]
- ... member representative has precedent
- 14:32:39 [Rain]
- ... there is enough content and questions now to bring to the legal team, so suggest doing that now
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- Lisa: do you feel would be interesting for them to look at as is, and then finish in the next 3 weeks?
- 14:33:10 [Rain]
- MichaelC: yes, think would be good to have them look at it as is so that they can respond to them now
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- Jennie: feeling secure about the level of security of the document, fine to share now
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- lisa: resolution is to allow W3C parties outside COGA to review
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- ... and add comments
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- reolution, to alow other w3c parties outside coga to review and add comments?
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- lisa: if agree, +1, if want to talk about more, 0, if against this, -1
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- +1
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- q+
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- ack me
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- ack next
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- MichaelC: putting on to do list to schedule a meeting with legal team
- 14:36:07 [Rain]
- ... think Jennie or John K to present, and will invite Lisa and Rain (off list)
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- scribe: Jennie
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Update on WCAG 3 and testing -- taken up [from lisa]
- 14:36:40 [Jennie]
- Rachael: There are a lot of ways we refer to this
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- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1PsPVWTEjDwZUfevlvywI6NeepAxkveU8_SxYuCVAY80/edit#slide=id.g120a12cbea9_0_0
- 14:37:13 [Jennie]
- Rachael: We will try the exercise with the plain language group in the hour following this call
- 14:37:24 [kirkwood]
- sorry late work meeting just got in.
- 14:37:24 [Jennie]
- ...We are talking about not just how to test, but how we will apply those tests
- 14:37:33 [Jennie]
- ...Last week, the AG did an exercise
- 14:37:53 [Jennie]
- ...We broke down existing success criteria and applied this process to see if this is a useful way to think about it
- 14:37:57 [Jennie]
- ...It is exploratory
- 14:38:05 [Jennie]
- ...It helps with the work on WCAG 3
- 14:38:15 [Jennie]
- ...There are different categorizations
- 14:38:24 [Jennie]
- ...Please add questions into the Queue if you have questions
- 14:38:30 [Jennie]
- ...1st, the smallest unit
- 14:38:36 [Jennie]
- ...We don't have final terms for these
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- ...this could be an interactive component, a paragraph, a dropdown...
- 14:38:58 [Jennie]
- ...2nd: the view
- 14:39:04 [Jennie]
- ...In WCAG 2 that is the page
- 14:39:18 [Jennie]
- ...In single page applications, all the states that can change - page is not currently sufficient
- 14:39:26 [Jennie]
- ...3rd: user process
- 14:39:33 [Jennie]
- ...(reads draft definition)
- 14:39:49 [Jennie]
- ...The process to go from point a to point b when completing a task
- 14:39:55 [Jennie]
- 4th: the aggregate of all those things
- 14:40:04 [Jennie]
- ...The Wholistic thing we can test
- 14:40:11 [Jennie]
- ...We test in WCAG 2 these things implicitly
- 14:40:17 [Jennie]
- ...Talking about them clearly has been helpful
- 14:40:19 [Jennie]
- ....Questions?
- 14:40:35 [Jennie]
- ...Next: 4 types of tests
- 14:40:41 [Jennie]
- ...1: fully objective test
- 14:40:48 [Jennie]
- ...Measures against a constant, like color contrast
- 14:40:52 [Jennie]
- ...Totally objective
- 14:40:58 [Jennie]
- ...Or, does something exist or not
- 14:41:02 [Jennie]
- ...Easy to make machine testable
- 14:41:04 [lisa]
- maybe the task is important layer
- 14:41:09 [Jennie]
- ...WCAG says "it must be there"
- 14:41:20 [Jennie]
- ...The tests are objective, repeatable, easy to state
- 14:41:29 [Jennie]
- ...WCAG 2 tried to make tests like this as much as possible
- 14:41:48 [Jennie]
- ...2: Condition (subjective) test
- 14:41:53 [Jennie]
- ...Measures against conditions
- 14:42:02 [Jennie]
- ...We say 8 of 10 experts would agree
- 14:42:08 [Jennie]
- ...Less objective than test 1
- 14:42:15 [Jennie]
- ...Text alternatives is an example
- 14:42:33 [Jennie]
- ...You need both the constant test (alt text is present)
- 14:42:42 [Jennie]
- ...And the condition test (quality of the alt text)
- 14:42:48 [Jennie]
- ...Another example is meaningful sequent
- 14:42:54 [Jennie]
- ...You have to evaluate the quality
- 14:43:14 [Jennie]
- ...Now we are talking about aditionally more subjective
- 14:43:31 [Jennie]
- ...3: Test case - measures against an internal baseline set by the developing organization
- 14:43:44 [Jennie]
- ...WCAG defines the types of conditions and the failures, but not the specifics
- 14:43:58 [Jennie]
- ...Tests would pass if the (reads from slide 5)
- 14:44:27 [Jennie]
- ...Example: wouldn't say what reading level would be required, but might dictate that the organization sets a reading level
- 14:44:49 [Jennie]
- ...This concept hopefully lets us expand the types of tests, and incorporate more of the COGA type of tests
- 14:44:56 [Jennie]
- Lisa: Does this include/can this include user tests?
- 14:45:03 [Jennie]
- Rachael: The next one does.
- 14:45:44 [Jennie]
- ...4: Protocols: this is where user testing would most likely fall
- 14:45:51 [Jennie]
- ...It would test whether a process was done
- 14:46:00 [Jennie]
- ...There was a lot of talk about the quality of the results
- 14:46:19 [Jennie]
- ...Most likely WCAG would have people state the date completed, the protocol
- 14:46:21 [Le]
- q+
- 14:46:32 [Jennie]
- ...(reads from slide 6)
- 14:46:58 [Jennie]
- ...Pieces of plain language would be in other tests, but the full review would be here
- 14:47:06 [Jennie]
- ...(now reviewing slide 7)
- 14:47:23 [lisa]
- q+
- 14:47:24 [Jennie]
- ...None of this has yet been determined
- 14:47:24 [julierawe]
- q+
- 14:47:27 [lisa]
- ack next
- 14:47:40 [Jennie]
- Le: The test case: the idea is the customer saying this is my audience
- 14:47:51 [Jennie]
- ...My goal is to have plain language for a certain grade level specific to my audience
- 14:47:53 [kirkwood]
- present+
- 14:48:03 [Jennie]
- ...once they state their audience and their goal, then they have to follow it
- 14:48:06 [Jennie]
- Rachael: exactly
- 14:48:19 [Jennie]
- Le: The protocol - you need to have things in place, like user testing
- 14:48:20 [lisa]
- ack next
- 14:48:20 [Rachael]
- ack le
- 14:48:23 [Jennie]
- Rachael: exactly
- 14:48:31 [Jennie]
- Lisa: On the units
- 14:48:45 [Jennie]
- ...There is user process, and aggregate - none of them are actually a task with a goal
- 14:48:51 [Jennie]
- ...I think that should be specified in one of them
- 14:48:58 [Jennie]
- ...I think task is really important
- 14:49:11 [Jennie]
- ...Rather than the flow of clicking through the process doable
- 14:49:26 [Jennie]
- ...Did I understand the information - if my task was to understand what I needed to do before my procedure
- 14:49:35 [Jennie]
- ...I wasn't sure that aggregate or user process
- 14:49:49 [Jennie]
- Rachael: User process is intended to be that. I will take that back to the group to make clearer
- 14:50:03 [Jennie]
- Lisa: Task completion may be "I now understand something that I need to do"
- 14:50:27 [Jennie]
- ...That might involve search, reading the information at the end...that knowledge is really important, that it is clear
- 14:50:31 [Jennie]
- ...That has to be tested for
- 14:50:37 [Jennie]
- ...These look lovely
- 14:50:50 [Jennie]
- ...Most interesting - thanks so much for all the effort into these building blocks
- 14:50:54 [Jennie]
- ...The protocol testing group
- 14:51:06 [Jennie]
- ...We have to make sure that the protocols and the test case ones
- 14:51:14 [Jennie]
- ...Shouldn't be: you can do whatever you like
- 14:51:22 [Jennie]
- ...You need to test it with the range of disabilities that are appropriate
- 14:51:33 [Jennie]
- ...I would really want to review and comment on that protocol and test case
- 14:51:43 [Jennie]
- ...as well as the subjective tests.
- 14:52:11 [Jennie]
- ...I would love to see that well defined
- 14:52:15 [Jennie]
- ...so we know what is included
- 14:52:32 [Jennie]
- ...So we can test against the testing protocol
- 14:52:36 [Jennie]
- ...and know that we have done it
- 14:52:54 [Jennie]
- Rachael: We are at the beginning of this, so I appreciate the chance to go over this with you
- 14:53:04 [Jennie]
- ...The protocol currently meets on Fridays, but they are looking for a new time
- 14:53:20 [Jennie]
- ...They are very much at the beginning of figuring out how to ensure the quality is there
- 14:53:32 [Jennie]
- ...They will also bring those to AG if you cannot make the protocol group
- 14:53:43 [Jennie]
- ...The protocols group are working on that problem
- 14:53:51 [Jennie]
- Lisa: It will depend which day for me
- 14:53:51 [julierawe]
- I'm still on the queue
- 14:53:58 [Jennie]
- q?
- 14:54:00 [lisa]
- q?
- 14:54:24 [lisa]
- ack next
- 14:54:24 [Jennie]
- Lisa: Please let us know when these meetings for review are up on AG schedule
- 14:54:33 [Jennie]
- Julie: The test case is a really interesting idea
- 14:54:37 [Jennie]
- ...It may solve some problems
- 14:54:48 [Jennie]
- ...But I am wondering: if an organization can set its condition
- 14:54:58 [Jennie]
- ...If they say we are setting our reading level for college graduates
- 14:55:07 [Jennie]
- ...How can we encourage organizations to be more inclusive?
- 14:55:22 [Jennie]
- ...Is there work to have WCAG 3 reward groups that are more inclusive?
- 14:55:26 [Jennie]
- Rachael: That is a great question
- 14:55:35 [Jennie]
- ...We have had conversations around different ways to score, however
- 14:55:45 [Jennie]
- ...The trend right now in our conversations is to put that off for the time being
- 14:55:52 [Jennie]
- ...We recognize that we need to solve the problem
- 14:56:02 [Jennie]
- ...But we need to clarify what we are talking about - scoping the basics
- 14:56:21 [Jennie]
- ...One way would be saying "yes, if you do this condition, here is guidance on what it should be if you are doing x
- 14:56:34 [Jennie]
- ...A school should be doing a grade 6, not college level
- 14:56:45 [Jennie]
- ...Or we can add points, but we just don't know yet how it will fit together
- 14:56:53 [Jennie]
- ...But it is still on the schedule
- 14:57:06 [Jennie]
- Lisa: Is it better to run over a little bit, or pick this up again next week?
- 14:57:15 [Jennie]
- Rachael: That is the bulk of what I wanted to do with the main group
- 14:57:28 [Jennie]
- ...There are 2 other concepts we are talking about right now
- 14:57:33 [Jennie]
- ...Functional needs
- 14:57:33 [Rachael]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/16ZeCqTRTY0lmWvp1Xv_wO0iH1OzyECBa1UXQ_UeocjQ/edit#heading=h.job6i2kq6fgh
- 14:57:44 [Jennie]
- ...And user needs (which is new and exploratory)
- 14:57:50 [Jennie]
- ...We don't need to discuss those now
- 14:58:31 [Jennie]
- Lisa: The plain language subgroup is meeting after this. We will take a 5 minute break
- 14:58:34 [Jennie]
- ...And continue with examples
- 14:58:48 [Jennie]
- ...Anyone going to be involved in any of the WCAG 3 subgroups - I recommend you attend
- 14:59:10 [Jennie]
- ...It will be about how you add pieces into WCAG 3
- 14:59:33 [Rain]
- zakim, make minutes
- 14:59:33 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'make minutes', Rain
- 14:59:38 [Rain]
- RRSAgent: make minutes
- 14:59:38 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/31-coga-minutes.html Rain
- 15:00:18 [ShawnT]
- https://github.com/w3c/silver/wiki/Protocols
- 15:04:19 [lisa]
- topic: Easy to understand language examples
- 15:04:41 [lisa]
- RRSAgent: make minutes
- 15:04:41 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/31-coga-minutes.html lisa
- 15:05:38 [lisa]
- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1PsPVWTEjDwZUfevlvywI6NeepAxkveU8_SxYuCVAY80/edit#slide=id.g115ec01aa81_0_51
- 15:09:36 [JohnRochford]
- +1 to not just about hearing
- 15:09:53 [stevelee]
- Hey shawn, I'm happy to chat when you. I finally got my new PC setup just so.
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- present+ Jan
- 15:10:41 [lisa]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/
- 15:10:58 [lisa]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-3-use-clear-and-understandable-content
- 15:11:43 [Rachael]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/16ZeCqTRTY0lmWvp1Xv_wO0iH1OzyECBa1UXQ_UeocjQ/edit#heading=h.job6i2kq6fgh
- 15:15:48 [Rain]
- +1 I'm okay with taking writing out, as well
- 15:15:57 [ShawnT]
- +1
- 15:19:03 [ShawnT]
- could it be to recognize languages (English vs Spanish)?
- 15:22:25 [lisa]
- q+
- 15:25:09 [lisa]
- ack next
- 15:26:05 [JohnRochford]
- +1 to Jennie's point about reading with AAC devices.
- 15:27:37 [Rachael]
- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1PsPVWTEjDwZUfevlvywI6NeepAxkveU8_SxYuCVAY80/edit#slide=id.g120a12cbea9_0_34
- 15:32:23 [lisa]
- we are adding to the speeker notes, comunication disorder, mental health
- 15:33:15 [Rain]
- Receptive communication
- 15:35:16 [lisa]
- q?
- 15:40:53 [Rain]
- Overall structure of the document, clear and understandable
- 15:41:53 [Rain]
- q+
- 15:42:49 [Rain]
- ack Rain
- 15:45:52 [ShawnT]
- q+ to talk about expectations
- 15:46:11 [ShawnT]
- q-
- 15:46:52 [lisa]
- rain I cant understand with an echo
- 15:49:02 [kirkwood]
- present+
- 15:55:13 [JohnRochford]
- q+
- 15:55:31 [lisa]
- ack j
- 15:56:02 [Jennie]
- *Have to drop - have a good week!
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- I have to drop off!
- 16:01:53 [ShawnT]
- I have to leave
- 16:02:24 [Jan_]
- My apologies - I had to drop for another call.
- 16:02:48 [julierawe]
- q+
- 16:03:03 [Rain]
- I have to leave, but thank you all! See you in May!
- 16:08:27 [kirkwood]
- sorry was pinged on the hour
- 16:11:53 [lisa]
- RRSAgent: make minutes
- 16:11:53 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/31-coga-minutes.html lisa
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