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13:58:46 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF
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14:10:24 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisc, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Jan_Romann, Michael_McCool, Thomas_Jaeckle
14:10:32 <McCool> topic: minutes
14:10:45 <kaz> scribenick: McCool
14:10:50 <McCool> seb: March 9 minutes; last mtg before testfest
14:11:07 <McCool> ... at that time still working on WD publication
14:11:14 <McCool> ... and planning for testfest
14:11:34 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#Mar_30.2C_2022
14:11:47 <kaz> i|March 9|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/03/09-wot-td-minutes.html Mar-9|
14:12:14 <McCool> ... also discussed some wide review topics, explainer, etc; will talk about more today
14:12:59 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:15:22 <McCool> ... looked at some action topics
14:16:42 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:16:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:16:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:17:27 <kaz> chair: Sebastian
14:18:04 <McCool> ... some IANA registration topics
14:18:37 <McCool> ... context for TD, namespace, etc
14:19:27 <McCool> seb: any objections or concerns?
14:19:35 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
14:19:39 <McCool> ... hearing none, will publish
14:19:57 <McCool> topic: WD publication
14:20:17 <McCool> seb: new WD is "stable" version; same as CR transition
14:20:32 <McCool> q+
14:20:52 <McCool> ... we should revisit our schedule and plan for transition
14:22:09 <McCool> mm: think we still have a lot on the table, including normative changes, which will impact the IR, at-risk items, etc.
14:22:18 <McCool> ... think we need at least another month
14:22:28 <McCool> seb: concur, propose mid-May
14:22:34 <McCool> ... for CR transition
14:22:48 <kaz> q+
14:22:53 <kaz> ack m
14:23:48 <McCool> kaz: although think we should try to review the issues and see what should go in an which should not
14:23:49 <kaz> ack k
14:24:20 <McCool> seb: ok, let's update schedule to mid-May for CR transition, so CR *candidate* deadline is beginning of May
14:24:44 <McCool> topic: wide review
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14:25:55 <McCool> seb: security questionniaire #1382
14:26:14 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/723
14:26:22 <McCool> mm: done, but merged into architecture, also TAG issue updated to point to new location
14:27:56 <McCool> subtopic: explainer
14:28:05 <McCool> seb: PR #1397
14:28:22 <McCool> seb: was feedback, but I have not addressed all the points yet
14:31:13 <McCool> mm: I suggest you can merge
14:31:16 <McCool> seb: ok, merging
14:31:37 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/explainer/Explainer11.md
14:32:22 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/715
14:34:13 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-thing-description11/
14:34:27 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/WD-wot-thing-description11-20220311/
14:35:40 <kaz> i|PR #1397|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1397 PR 1397 - Explainer 1.1|
14:36:18 <kaz> i|#1382|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1382 PR 1382 - Create Security and Privacy Questionnaire Answers for Ver 1.1 CR Process|
14:40:12 <McCool> mm: ok, updated, finalized, and submitted.  Marked as ready for review
14:40:36 <McCool> subtopic: Accessibility
14:42:57 <McCool> mm: issue has been submitted, not much activity, but they did look at it last week (added link to wiki)
14:43:11 <McCool> subtopic: internationalization
14:43:19 <McCool> seb: ongoing, in progress
14:43:26 <McCool> subtopic: TAG review
14:43:35 <McCool> seb: also in progress, same as security
14:43:44 <McCool> subtopic: IANA
14:43:55 <McCool> seb: registration of TM model
14:44:14 <kaz> i|issue has|-> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/21 a11y-request/issues/21 - Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description 1.1 2021-01-26 > 2021-04-15|
14:45:08 <kaz> i|ongoing,|-> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/171 i18n-request/issues/171 - Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description 1.1 2021-02-02 > 2021-03-30|
14:45:09 <McCool> mm: some points, there is a PR updating the IANA considerations for TD as well
14:46:51 <kaz> i|also in|-> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/715 w3ctag/design-revews/issues/715 - Web of Things (WoT) Thing Description 1.1: TAG and Security Review
14:47:54 <kaz> q+
14:48:47 <McCool> mm: not sure if we can update or need a new registration
14:48:54 <McCool> kaz: IANA is handled by PLH
14:49:01 <McCool> ... so need to talk to hime
14:49:17 <kaz> i|registration of|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#media-type-section 12.1 application/td+json Media Type Registration|
14:49:23 <kaz> s/hime/him/
14:49:55 <McCool> s/hime/him/
14:50:54 <McCool> mm: suggest we update the TM proposed IANA registrations
14:51:53 <McCool> ... but also merge this PR so we can deal with the assertion changes in the security consideration sections
14:52:08 <McCool> seb: agree, let me record in the issue.PR
14:52:19 <McCool> s/issue.PR/issue and PR/
14:53:54 <McCool> mm: should point PLH at both issue with draft IANA for TM and updates to the section in the TD doc (after the PR above is merged)
14:54:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:54:23 <McCool> subtopic: Privacy
14:54:54 <McCool> mm: still have to file a review request to PING, I will do that, copying the content from the TAG/Security request
14:55:00 <McCool> topic: Testing
14:55:38 <McCool> seb: have new IR update (see PR), are not in bad shape, but still some "red" items we need to deal with
14:55:54 <McCool> ... suspect that the TM results are not being tested correctly, checking
14:55:59 <kaz> i|have new|-> https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/5e9f15c8f62792c8ef8063620bbfa3fa98d521ed/testing/report11.html draft implementation report|
14:57:53 <McCool> mm: note that we plan to rerun tests and report gen next Tuesday, please submit new examples, try to fill in gaps, etc. by next Monday
14:58:47 <McCool> seb: also, if you see red but you're sure you submitted an example, may be a testing problem, let ege/fady know or file an issue...
14:58:55 <McCool> topic: PRs
14:59:13 <McCool> subtopic: PR 1361
14:59:26 <McCool> seb: skipping for now, asking for feedback from Victor
14:59:37 <McCool> subtopic: PR 1402
15:02:08 <kaz> i|skipping|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1361 PR 1361 - WIP: make hctl:hasTarget a datatype property|
15:02:37 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1402 PR 1402 - Additional Security and Privacy Considerations
15:04:10 <McCool> mm: various new considerations, including vulnerability scanning, which is motivating "auto"
15:04:39 <McCool> seb: ok, let's merge; TAG review should point at editor's draft to see these
15:04:49 <McCool> mm: regarding TAG, I will add a note
15:05:00 <McCool> subtopic: PR 1447
15:05:26 <McCool> jan: this fixes a problem in the context file; if merge this first, diff for other things will be cleaner
15:06:31 <McCool> ... also a be/by typo fix
15:06:43 <McCool> seb: ok, let's merge this; objections?
15:06:55 <McCool> ... none, merging
15:12:08 <McCool> subtopic: PR 1419
15:12:21 <McCool> mm: auto value for in field, allows negotiation
15:12:35 <McCool> seb: ok, will merge; may also be helpful for OPC-UA
15:13:20 <McCool> subtopic: PR 1421
15:13:36 <McCool> mm: this adds the auto *scheme* (above was just for "in")
15:14:51 <McCool> seb: looks like there is still a problem with the ordering
15:15:12 <McCool> ... also a conflict, if that can be cleaned up it would be helpful before we merge
15:16:21 <McCool> jan: should we make auto the default?
15:16:45 <McCool> mm: already talked about that at length, is intentionally mandatory; adding a default would also break T1.0 compatibility
15:16:54 <McCool> ... but we can revisit in TD2.0
15:18:30 <McCool> subtopic: PR 1428
15:18:38 <McCool> mm: IANA/security considerations
15:18:43 <JKRhb> scribenick: JKRhb
15:18:45 <McCool> seb: unfortunately conflicts
15:18:57 <McCool> mm: if someone else (jan?) does minutes, I can fix
15:19:41 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 1430
15:20:05 <JKRhb> seb: Just a small PR that provides information on how to get the TM schema for validation
15:20:14 <kaz> i|this fixes|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1447 PR 1447 - fix: fix dataResponse definition|
15:20:23 <JKRhb> ... as a Note
15:20:33 <JKRhb> ... would be okay for me to merge this
15:20:38 <JKRhb> ... any comments?
15:20:48 <kaz> i|auto value for in|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1419 PR 1419 - Add auto value for the in field of SecuritySchemes|
15:21:05 <JKRhb> dp: Just a comment: Why don't we also include the TM schema in the document itself like the TD schema, to be more consistent?
15:21:13 <JKRhb> seb: That's true
15:21:24 <JKRhb> ... good point
15:21:26 <kaz> i|this adds the|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1421 PR 1421 - feat: Add AutoSecurityScheme|
15:21:53 <JKRhb> dp: I think we can merge it, but a follow-up PR could also point to the TD schema as well
15:22:01 <kaz> i|IANA/se|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1428 PR 1428 - Cleanup Security, Privacy, and IANA Considerations|
15:22:06 <JKRhb> seb: There is a risk that the schema disappears
15:22:33 <kaz> i|Just a small|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1430 PR 1430 - add link to tm schema and ednote|
15:22:57 <JKRhb> jr: Do you mean that the TD schema should not be included at all?
15:23:08 <JKRhb> seb: Daniel's comment was more about being consistent
15:24:52 <JKRhb> seb: (adds a note to issue 1409 which was referenced by the PR)
15:25:22 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 1421
15:25:29 <JKRhb> jr: PR is ready now
15:26:22 <JKRhb> seb: There are changes requested
15:26:43 <JKRhb> jr: There has been a comment by Michael regarding the proxy field
15:27:26 <JKRhb> mm: Should be fine as NoSec also includes proxy due to the inheritance from the base class
15:27:46 <JKRhb> ... currently correct, fields like name and in are not included
15:27:56 <JKRhb> seb: Then we can merge
15:27:59 <JKRhb> PR is merged
15:28:20 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 1432
15:29:03 <JKRhb> seb: (reviews the diff)
15:29:21 <JKRhb> ... I think in the old version there was a big assertion that is now split into two
15:29:46 <JKRhb> ... problem is that we don't have any test results for these assertions now
15:30:30 <JKRhb> ... should be okay, though, as we had a lot of untested TM assertions in the testfest anyway
15:30:43 <JKRhb> seb: A there any objections to merging this PR?
15:30:48 <JKRhb> There are none, PR is merged
15:30:54 <kaz> i|PR is ready now|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1421 PR 1421 - feat: Add AutoSecurityScheme|
15:31:07 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 1433
15:31:27 <kaz> i|reviews the diff|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1432 PR 1432 - split assertion on tmref overwrite|
15:31:32 <JKRhb> seb: This seems to be an update to the TM schema generation tools in the background
15:32:01 <kaz> i|This seems|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1433 PR 1433 - Placeholder pattern fixes|
15:32:05 <JKRhb> ... placeholder code is updated
15:32:46 <JKRhb> ... also a global definition for the placeholder pattern is introduced that is referenced now in other parts of the schema
15:33:30 <JKRhb> ... all places where the placeholder definition is used point to the global one
15:33:46 <JKRhb> ... the generation script is updated accordingly
15:33:55 <JKRhb> ... any comments, objections to merging?
15:34:05 <JKRhb> seb: (proceeds to merging)
15:34:09 <JKRhb> PR is merged
15:34:30 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 1438
15:34:44 <JKRhb> seb: There are some fixes to assertions
15:34:57 <JKRhb> ... there is some discussion in the PR
15:35:42 <JKRhb> seb: Michael, does the PR look good?
15:35:55 <JKRhb> mm: Problem is, this PR overlaps with the ones I am working on
15:36:07 <JKRhb> ... merging this PR will break the PRs I am currently working on
15:36:26 <JKRhb> ... unless the changes to the Security Considerations were reverted
15:36:37 <JKRhb> ... if so, merging would be okay
15:37:08 <JKRhb> seb: (goes over the diff with mm)
15:37:29 <JKRhb> mm: Looks like Ege might have reverted the changes
15:39:00 <JKRhb> ... PR looks okay, go ahead and merge it, in the worst case I'll fix conflicts
15:39:51 <JKRhb> seb: proceeds to merging
15:39:55 <JKRhb> PR is merged
15:40:02 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 1437
15:40:19 <JKRhb> seb: PR is by the i18n group
15:40:38 <JKRhb> ... there is some feedback by Addison that we should take into account
15:40:52 <JKRhb> ... we should wait for Ege to incorporate the changes
15:41:08 <JKRhb> ... let's talk about it again with Ege next week
15:41:20 <kaz> i|There are some|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1438 PR 1438 - ComboSecurityScheme: oneOf and allOf can be strings according to vocab table|
15:41:22 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 1442
15:42:05 <JKRhb> seb: seems like a JSON Schema update
15:42:06 <kaz> i|PR is by the|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1437 PR 1437 - Default text direction example and assertion|
15:42:32 <JKRhb> ... Ege updated the schemas with new @context URLs
15:42:42 <JKRhb> ... looks good to me, any comments?
15:42:46 <kaz> i|seems like a|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1442 PR 1442 - add new context url to tm schema|
15:42:59 <JKRhb> seb: (Proceeds with merging)
15:43:01 <JKRhb> PR is merged
15:43:26 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 1428
15:44:09 <JKRhb> s/subtopic: PR 1428/subtopic: PR 1444/
15:46:13 <JKRhb> seb: What I try to take care of is that any values with enumerated values
15:46:31 <JKRhb> dp: Nobody should actually try to change the values
15:47:19 <JKRhb> dp: We could say enumerated values instead of values, then we should be fine
15:47:21 <kaz> i|What I try|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1444 PR 1444 - add text about case sensitive|
15:47:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:47:46 <JKRhb> seb: Problem is, did we specify enumerated values anywhere?
15:48:13 <JKRhb> ... if we use the term, we also need to explain it
15:48:26 <kaz> i/unfortunately con/scribenick: McCool/
15:48:41 <kaz> i/Just a small/scribenick: JKRhb/
15:48:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:49:20 <JKRhb> seb: Let us revisit this PR later, let me think about the issue a bit more
15:49:45 <JKRhb> ... we need to be careful with these kinds of changes
15:50:50 <JKRhb> dp: Consumers are already expecting TDs to be case-sensitive
15:51:23 <JKRhb> seb: At the application level, there might be the decision to not use case sensitivity
15:52:06 <JKRhb> seb: (adds a comment to the PR that summarizes the discussion)
15:52:17 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 1445
15:52:39 <JKRhb> seb: This problem came up in the discovery task force
15:53:16 <JKRhb> mm: You currently need to replace tm:ThingModel with Thing
15:53:29 <JKRhb> ... is Thing implied in @type at the moment?
15:53:39 <JKRhb> seb: No, this is not the case at the moment
15:54:24 <JKRhb> mm: TD directories is currently forced to add this value to their TD if they instatiate
15:54:50 <JKRhb> ... an empty @type might be illegal, though
15:55:02 <kaz> i|This problem came|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1445 PR 1445 - Instead replace remove tm:ThingModel|
15:55:03 <JKRhb> seb: I checked it, is legal according to JSON-LD
15:55:04 <McCool> seb: no, I tested, empty @type is ok
15:55:12 <McCool> seb: propose merging
15:55:24 <McCool> subtopic: PR 1428
15:55:30 <JKRhb> i/seb: propose merging/scribenick: McCool/
15:55:39 <McCool> mm: conflicts have been resolved
15:56:06 <JKRhb> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:56:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-wot-td-minutes.html JKRhb
15:56:24 <kaz> i|conflicts|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1428 PR 1428 - Cleanup Security, Privacy, and IANA Considerations|
15:59:09 <McCool> seb: I see these are normative sections now
15:59:24 <McCool> mm: yes, that is correct; IANA had assertions, moving them made this normative
15:59:43 <McCool> ... anyway, TAG had asked for that last time, so... does add to testing, though
15:59:54 <McCool> subtopic: Wrapup
16:00:09 <McCool> seb: ok, out of time, we still have more PRs, will continue next time
16:00:12 <McCool> adjourn
16:00:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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