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12:02:25 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:02:37 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Lagally
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12:03:46 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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12:07:04 <dape> scribe: dape
12:07:38 <dape> TOPIC: Minutes
12:07:50 <dape> -> Mar-23 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/03/23-wot-minutes.html
12:08:18 <dape> MMC: FYI: timezone in Europe is in sync again
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12:09:03 <dape> ML: please provide use case coverage feedback
12:09:52 <dape> MMC: Minutes look good. Any objections?
12:10:17 <dape> ... -> none -> minutes approved
12:10:38 <dape> TOPIC: Kaz's presentation on Tools for W3C Spec Work
12:11:02 <dape> Kaz/MMC: Suggest to wait for presentation till more people are in the call
12:11:16 <dape> MMC: see slides, https://www.w3.org/2022/Talks/0322-tools-ka/
12:11:17 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:11:17 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Lagally, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Daniel_Peintner, Kunihiko_Toumura
12:11:38 <dape> ... list of resources
12:11:45 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Jack_Dickinson
12:11:50 <dape> TOPIC: OPC-UA
12:12:22 <dape> SK: we have liaison with OPC-UA foundation
12:12:35 <McCool> q+
12:12:45 <dape> ... work together ... OPC-UA binding
12:13:02 <kaz> q+
12:13:20 <dape> ... I presented our ideas of collaboration
12:13:28 <dape> ... got positive feedback
12:13:44 <dape> ... internal voting got positive feedback also
12:13:59 <dape> ... multi organization agreement document was setup
12:14:09 <dape> ... talked also with Jeff
12:14:18 <dape> ... we plan a joint meeting
12:14:47 <dape> ... for Jeff it was important to setup memorandum of understanding
12:15:05 <dape> ... we should add OPC-UA collaboration also in new charter
12:15:16 <kaz> ack m
12:15:42 <dape> MMC: we decided to proceed ... with MIU ... in September
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12:15:51 <kaz> s/MIU/MoU/
12:15:51 <mlagally_> q+
12:16:02 <dape> .. we need to nail down aspects
12:16:20 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:16:47 <dape> ... MoU should come first
12:16:50 <dape> q?
12:16:58 <dape> MMC: timeline ?
12:17:12 <dape> SK: need to find a good timeslot
12:17:32 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/03/24-opcua-minutes.html minutes from the meeting with Jeff (Member-only)
12:17:33 <dape> ... the have a call at the same time with our main call
12:17:56 <dape> MMC: homework? Note down some expectations first? .. during editors call
12:18:14 <dape> SK: we have a high level description  already
12:18:32 <dape> ... can work on improving it
12:18:47 <dape> Kaz: My impression is a bit different
12:19:03 <dape> ... should not start with MoU
12:19:27 <dape> ... first start with clarifying expectations
12:19:37 <dape> .. suggest some more detailed discussions
12:20:07 <dape> ... expectations should not be informative .. rather a formative specification
12:20:44 <dape> MMC: We can't decide on our own for a REC track document
12:20:51 <dape> ... needs to go into new charter
12:21:14 <dape> Kaz: let's start with further discussions
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12:21:52 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:21:52 <dape> MMC: let's start with discussion in editors call
12:22:23 <dape> Kaz: Should call the meeting OPC-UA liaison call
12:22:30 <dape> MMC: Can update the calendar
12:22:49 <dape> ... might mess up peoples calendar
12:22:53 <kaz> s/call/call in that case, and ask necessary people to join it/
12:23:15 <mlagally_> q?
12:23:20 <kaz> ack k
12:23:31 <dape> ... will create the OPC-UA liaison call -> same WebEx
12:23:37 <kaz> s/My impression/My impression and understanding from the call with Jeff/
12:23:48 <dape> ML: May I suggest .... start drafting a plan
12:23:56 <dape> ... technical questions
12:24:02 <dape> ... alignments questions
12:24:07 <dape> ... IPR terms
12:24:13 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:24:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:24:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:24:38 <dape> ... believe we have a lot of open questions
12:24:56 <kaz> chair: McCool/Sebastian
12:24:59 <dape> MMC: Suggest to create issue to collect such input asynchronously
12:25:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:25:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:25:16 <dape> ... like gathering OPC-UA requirements
12:25:56 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/1016
12:26:06 <dape> q?
12:26:10 <dape> ack mlagally_
12:26:45 <dape> TOPIC: W3C calendar
12:26:58 <dape> -> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/wot/calendar
12:27:07 <dape> MMC: login first
12:27:17 <kaz> s/calendar/calendar WoT-WG Calendar/
12:27:24 <dape> ... personal link provides WebEx information
12:28:18 <dape> ... will update the calendar with liaison meetings
12:28:28 <dape> TOPIC: Quick Updates
12:28:50 <dape> SUBTOPIC: European Summertime will start on 27 March 2022
12:29:04 <dape> MMC: The WoT calls will start one hour later than this week IN EUROPE ONLY
12:29:21 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WoT Japanese CG updates
12:29:41 <dape> TM: 2 points
12:30:00 <dape> .. ECHONET etc was discussed as use-case
12:30:01 <Mizushima> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-jp-cg/blob/main/Event/20220325_4th_WoT_Usecases_Event/minutes.md
12:30:07 <dape> .. meeting march 25
12:30:17 <kaz> s/minutes.md/minutes.md draft minutes/
12:30:26 <dape> ... 2. outreach event April 22
12:30:35 <Mizushima> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-jp-cg/blob/main/Event/20220422_5th_Smart_Building/readme.md
12:30:42 <dape> ... about smart building
12:30:51 <dape> ... currently working on Agenda
12:31:04 <dape> MMC: Should make sure event calendar is up-to-date
12:31:10 <kaz> s/readme.md/readme.md next event on smart cities on April 22/
12:32:04 <dape> DP: PR for marketing website ?
12:32:27 <dape> TM: will send information after meeting
12:33:10 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Use Case due diligence
12:33:14 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/coverage.csv
12:33:24 <dape> MMC: please provide update by next Tuesday
12:33:35 <kaz> q+
12:33:37 <dape> TOPIC: Rechartering and Charter Extensions
12:33:43 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WG Charter Extension
12:33:50 <dape> Kaz: talked with PLH
12:34:00 <dape> ... they have meeting right now
12:34:01 <kaz> ack k
12:34:10 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WG Rechartering AFTER the 12mo extension
12:34:14 <dape> MMC: ongoing
12:34:22 <dape> ... OPC-UA is on the table now
12:34:24 <kaz> s/they have/W3M has/
12:34:31 <dape> TOPIC: Publications
12:34:39 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Discovery
12:34:51 <dape> MMC: close to normative content
12:35:06 <dape> ... PRs against discovery and TD
12:35:19 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Wide review:
12:35:27 <dape> MMC: done
12:35:55 <dape> MMC: Explainer is close to be ready
12:35:59 <dape> ... final review
12:36:17 <kaz> s/Wide review:/Wide review/
12:36:41 <dape> -> Explainer -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1397
12:37:24 <dape> MMC: need to work on Explainer for Architecture
12:37:31 <dape> ... the other one is for TD
12:38:32 <dape> MMC: Extension Plan
12:38:36 <dape> ... https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md
12:38:59 <dape> ... pending PR, see https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1015
12:39:08 <kaz> i/Extension Plan/subtopic: Extension plan/
12:39:28 <dape> MMC: discovery freeze end of April
12:41:37 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:41:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:41:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
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12:42:25 <dape_> Kaz: Editors please take a look at updated plan
12:42:43 <dape_> ... hard deadline
12:43:20 <dape_> TOPIC: Marketing
12:43:24 <kaz> s/hard deadline/we're getting a one-year extension but the deadline here is the actual deadline./
12:43:34 <dape_> MMC: BIG discussion was WoT CG collaboration
12:43:42 <dape_> ... we have next steps
12:43:44 <kaz> q+
12:43:59 <kaz> s/Editors p/Editors, p/
12:44:28 <dape_> ... please add new issues ... with "CG" label
12:44:46 <dape_> CA: these 3 issues closed old issue
12:45:17 <dape_> --> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACG
12:45:35 <dape_> -> old issue -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/288
12:45:58 <kaz> s/old issue ->/old issue/
12:46:01 <kaz> q-
12:46:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:46:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:46:22 <kaz> q+
12:46:22 <dape_> MMC: new issue are coming about charter ... purposes / expectations
12:46:51 <kaz> ack k
12:47:13 <dape_> Kaz: suggest to create MD about expectations for updated charter
12:47:29 <dape_> TOPIC: Testing
12:47:37 <dape_> MMC: will talk in testing call...
12:47:49 <dape_> MMC: updated TD
12:47:53 <kaz> s/-->/->/
12:48:11 <kaz> s/ACG/ACG Marketing Issues on CG collaboration/
12:48:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:48:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
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12:48:55 <dape_> ... blue columns are child  items
12:49:08 <McCool> https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/5e9f15c8f62792c8ef8063620bbfa3fa98d521ed/testing/report11.html#test_results
12:49:24 <dape_> ... there are some gaps
12:49:33 <dape_> ... we need to work on them
12:49:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:49:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:50:16 <dape_> MMC: w.r.t. Architecture ... template fixed
12:50:17 <dape_> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/707
12:50:36 <dape_> ... more updates to come
12:50:58 <dape_> ML: Shall we review it today.. or do you plan to work on it
12:51:05 <dape_> MMC: Suggest to review now
12:51:25 <dape_> ML: Sounds good
12:51:54 <dape_> MMC: discussed having other TestFest
12:52:06 <dape_> ... suggest to re-use same event directory
12:52:15 <dape_> ... like TestFest is going on
12:52:25 <dape_> ... not sure if we have time for another TestFest
12:52:47 <dape_> ... I think for now it is better to keep ongoing the current work
12:53:03 <dape_> ... more details in testing call
12:53:08 <dape_> TOPIC: Liaisons
12:53:23 <kaz> q+
12:53:31 <dape_> SUBTOPIC: ECHONET
12:53:42 <dape_> MMC: smart building on agenda of next meeting
12:54:35 <dape_> SUBTOPIC: IEC
12:54:46 <dape_> Kaz: got contacted by IEC person
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12:55:01 <dape_> ... will report
12:55:35 <dape_> ... IEC CDD wanted to bring it to ISO side
12:55:55 <dape_> TOPIC: TF Reports
12:56:11 <dape_> SUBTOPIC: Profile/architecture
12:56:33 <dape_> ML: decided to have baseline for Profile
12:56:47 <dape_> ... extensions for event modules
12:57:00 <kaz> s|IEC CDD wanted to bring it to ISO side|note that the topic on "IEC CDD" should be handled by the liaison with ISO TC184/SC4 because actual definition is done by the ISO side.|
12:57:00 <dape_> SUBTOPIC: Testing
12:57:28 <dape_> SK: Would like to thank all TestFest contributors / participants
12:57:36 <dape_> MMC: +1
12:57:47 <dape_> ... need to push on
12:58:11 <dape_> [MMC: Testing call start 5 past]
12:58:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:58:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-wot-minutes.html kaz
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