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12:52:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:52:54 <trackbot> Date: 30 March 2022
12:52:57 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:52:59 <jasonjgw> present+
12:53:25 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
12:53:25 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.
12:53:25 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Review of draft ethical machine learning consultation document.
12:53:25 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
12:53:25 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
12:53:28 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
12:53:38 <jasonjgw> agenda?
12:53:54 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
12:53:54 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
12:53:55 <Zakim> 1. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:53:55 <Zakim> 2. Accessibility of Remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
12:53:55 <Zakim> 3. Review of draft ethical machine learning consultation document. [from jasonjgw]
12:53:55 <Zakim> 4. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:53:56 <Zakim> 5. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]
12:53:56 <Zakim> 6. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
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13:03:20 <Joshue108> agenda?
13:03:32 <Joshue108> Scribe: Joshue108
13:03:55 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:03:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:04:25 <Joshue108> JW: Asks about publishing and review periods
13:04:46 <Joshue108> We have the SAUR ready for a descision - about whether we publish a working draft or make it ready for wide review.
13:04:59 <Joshue108> If you are not keen on publishing let us know
13:05:09 <Joshue108> +1 Scott and Steve
13:05:18 <Joshue108> +1 from Janina - also to wide public review
13:05:55 <Joshue108> SH: Acks Steves great work
13:06:03 <Joshue108> JOC: +1 from me
13:06:11 <Joshue108> JS: Is the 6 weeks necessary
13:06:32 <Joshue108> JW: We did propose 6 weeks review time but can be adjusted
13:06:48 <Joshue108> JS: <Discusses messaging etc>
13:07:46 <Joshue108>  Earlier in May for publishing would be good.
13:07:53 <Joshue108> SN: I'm fine with that
13:08:33 <Joshue108> JS: Lets do the 13th?
13:08:42 <Joshue108> JW: What would we like?
13:08:53 <Joshue108> SH: Mentions Easter Holidays globally..
13:10:41 <Joshue108> RESOLUTION: RQTF will publish SAUR https://www.w3.org/TR/saur/ for a second public review with comments due midnight Boston time Fri 13th May
13:11:00 <Joshue108> JS: Will flag this to Roy, that we have permission to update public working drafts
13:13:02 <Joshue108> Lets update the drafts and get messaging ready to roll - Shawn will see the update working draft
13:13:55 <Joshue108> JS: Hands off Github for now
13:14:05 <Joshue108> JW: Any final comments?
13:14:11 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:14:11 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Accessibility of Remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:14:29 <Joshue108> JW: I'm the one with the report here..
13:15:01 <Joshue108> I've opened some issues after a review - had some discussion with Scott. Have created some PRs.
13:15:08 <Joshue108> Scott has reviewed, thanks.
13:16:25 <Joshue108> JW: <Gives overview of PRs>
13:17:06 <Joshue108> Mostly editorial but some may be more substantive
13:17:31 <Joshue108> SH: Great work Jason
13:17:43 <Joshue108> Happy to have that input on testing video
13:19:27 <Joshue108> JOC: Here are the PRs https://github.com/w3c/remote-meetings/pulls
13:19:47 <Joshue108> JW: Any other comments?
13:21:55 <Joshue108> <GH banter>
13:22:03 <Joshue108> agenda
13:22:06 <Joshue108> agenda?
13:22:27 <Joshue108> JW: Had Judy been asked to review?
13:22:30 <Joshue108> SH: Yes
13:23:02 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:23:02 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of draft ethical machine learning consultation document. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:23:23 <Joshue108> JW: I've some comments on this..
13:23:34 <Joshue108> The link to the latest draft in agenda
13:24:09 <Joshue108> There are meetings next week - with two sessions run by Machine Learning group
13:24:48 <Joshue108> APA will be attending a session -  I'll do another. Am meeting with MattTA to review his draft
13:25:08 <Joshue108> If anyone has input here, we can feedback to them
13:25:52 <Joshue108> JS: Anyone can attend  Monday April 4th, 6am Eastern, and April 5th at 16:00 UTC
13:26:21 <Joshue108> JW: Any other comments? Or we can take our thoughts to those meetings.
13:27:00 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:27:00 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:27:30 <Joshue108> JW: Once we get some of the other publications under control we can get this to the top of the agenda.
13:27:47 <Joshue108> If there have been updates let us know..
13:28:02 <Joshue108> JOC: Has no subterranean updates
13:28:45 <Joshue108> JW: Its good to have the walkthru of the COGA issues done.
13:28:59 <Joshue108> JW: We can re-engage with MITRE also.
13:29:17 <Joshue108> JW: Lets discuss next week.
13:30:03 <Joshue108> JW: Final words?
13:30:05 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:30:05 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:30:40 <Joshue108> JW: There was a meeting with Cloudflare last week?
13:31:21 <Joshue108> LW: We had a good meeting with Cloudflare - they are commited to helping with our agenda.
13:31:38 <Joshue108> CAP is the technology that we see as a replacement for CAPTCHA..
13:32:05 <Joshue108> LW: They mentioned privacy pass - they are interested in unblocking traffic and reducing friction
13:32:29 <Joshue108> As well as Zero knowledge extentions - support privacy and get user agents to support
13:32:55 <Joshue108> Tara Whelan is involved in privacy and security
13:33:11 <Joshue108> LW: I've been reading up on standards etc
13:33:34 <Joshue108> Janina is to reach out to WebAuthen - to also cover attestation
13:34:29 <Joshue108> We dont want to go too far with only one companies stack.
13:34:40 <Joshue108> JS: Thats important
13:34:55 <Joshue108> JS: There are terms that are not in our document that we should track
13:35:10 <Joshue108> There is privacy and security jargon that we should mirror
13:35:21 <Joshue108> Important for implementors to see
13:35:40 <Joshue108> JW: We could cite relevant issues.
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13:36:33 <Joshue108> JS: We may have a new layer on historical or legacy tech that we dont recommend are used.
13:37:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> 	rrsagent, make minutes
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13:38:23 <Joshue108> JS: I will send a new reference to the list
13:38:59 <Joshue108> LW: I can add to the minutes
13:41:00 <Joshue108> LW: <talks about CSUN experience with Sign Language>
13:42:10 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:42:10 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:43:00 <Joshue108> JW: I want to say that the maturity model discussion is continuing, the co-chairs of APA aims to bring this into that group.
13:44:55 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Language identifiers
13:45:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel adding to the minutes some more details on the discussion with CloudFlare:
13:45:19 <Joshue108> JS: In pronunciation, it is a good research question - would like validation
13:45:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> While currently CAP relies on Webauthn attestation, CloudFlare is proposing a ZK-based extension to Webauthn that will not rely on Webauthn attestation
13:45:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> (ZK = zero knowledge)
13:45:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> 	- The IETF Privacy Attestation Tokens (https://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/) demonstrates that a task has been completed, or that you have met a given challenge. 		A quote from the spec, "token authentication can be used in similar ways to CAPTCHA validation today, but without the need for user interaction"
13:46:08 <Joshue108> JS: It seems BC47 spec relates to an IETF doc  RFC 5646
13:46:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Tara who is on W3C privacy WG, will read, comment, edit the CAPTCHA W3C paper
13:47:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel to read PrivacyPass (https://privacypass.github.io/) IETF Privacy Attestation Tokens (https://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/)
13:47:09 <Joshue108> Regarding ancient languages.. some are to be supported by extensions
13:47:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> Thibault (from CloudFlare) to advise on what other companies/corporations could implement CAP. RQTF and W3C is always very pleased to see multiple companies involved.
13:47:41 <Joshue108> But if we want to specify a language there are different issues..
13:47:54 <Joshue108> Variations in regional pronunciation etc
13:48:52 <Joshue108> JS: We need some time based way to specify where we have rules to distinuish English over different time periods.
13:49:13 <Joshue108> Same with ancient languages - vernacular etc
13:49:41 <Joshue108> Is this accurate? That our language identifiers dont support language variation in historical contexts.
13:50:08 <Joshue108> JS: Would like us to look at adding time/context considerations into these languages.
13:50:14 <Joshue108> JW: Thats clear.
13:51:44 <Joshue108> JOC: Good catch, time is another axis.
13:51:56 <Joshue108> JW: I'll have a look - lets discuss more.
13:52:06 <Joshue108> JS: Something useful for TPAC.
13:54:10 <Joshue108> JW: I've got some insight into a related group and can share.
13:54:44 <SteveNoble> one resource that mentions some ancient language codes: https://sites.psu.edu/symbolcodes/web/langtag/#langcode
13:55:17 <Joshue108> rrsagent, make minutes
13:55:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108
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