14:26:39 RRSAgent has joined #pronunciation 14:26:39 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-pronunciation-irc 14:26:41 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:26:42 zakim, agenda? 14:26:43 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda: 14:26:43 1. Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements [from iali] 14:26:43 2. Action Items [from iali] 14:26:43 3. Github Issues and examples [from iali] 14:26:43 4. Other Business (Pronunciation Task Force and Children) [from iali] 14:26:43 5. Designating lang for TTS [from iali] 14:26:44 Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference 14:26:44 Date: 30 March 2022 14:27:54 Roy has joined #pronunciation 14:35:13 MichaelC_ has joined #pronunciation 15:17:18 MichaelC_ has joined #pronunciation 15:21:01 Roy has joined #pronunciation 16:00:11 iali has joined #pronunciation 16:00:28 present+ 16:00:43 present+ 16:01:30 agenda? 16:04:17 Dee has joined #pronunciation 16:04:28 present+ 16:05:38 scribe: Irfan Ali 16:06:40 Chair: Paul 16:07:16 zakim, next item 16:07:16 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements -- taken up [from iali] 16:07:25 agenda? 16:07:41 trackbot, start meeting 16:07:44 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:07:47 Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference 16:07:47 Date: 30 March 2022 16:08:01 zakim, next item 16:08:01 agendum 1 was just opened, iali 16:08:06 NeilS has joined #pronunciation 16:08:15 present+ 16:08:33 zakim, close this item 16:08:33 agendum 1 closed 16:08:34 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:08:34 2. Action Items [from iali] 16:08:43 zakim, next item 16:08:43 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from iali] 16:10:09 SteveNoble has joined #pronunciation 16:10:24 present+ 16:12:16 janina has joined #pronunciation 16:12:16 present+ 16:12:26 janina has joined #pronunciation 16:13:13 introduction to Sarah 16:15:04 Sarah_Wood has joined #pronunciation 16:15:09 +Present 16:15:30 Present+ 16:16:06 Alan has joined #pronunciation 16:16:12 present+ 16:19:28 Sam has joined #pronunciation 16:19:35 present+ 16:22:16 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/pronunciation/track/actions/open 16:23:32 zakim, next item 16:23:32 agendum 3 -- Github Issues and examples -- taken up [from iali] 16:24:06 https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues 16:24:39 zakim, next item 16:24:39 agendum 4 -- Other Business (Pronunciation Task Force and Children) -- taken up [from iali] 16:25:45 in the accessibility for children meeting, Susan Taylor asked about support specific to use cases for children using AT 16:26:25 iali: we discussed it last week and need to invite them to a future meeting 16:27:20 janina: we may need to research the various use cases 16:28:32 janina: is it useful in education to lead someone to provide an example or mimic the voice for children to make it easier to understand for the children. 16:29:52 janina: would mimicking voice useful in some cases? 16:30:06 AAVE is a dialect/ethnolect/sociolect 16:31:04 Sarah_Wood: from literacy department, there are some studies which indicates that it is helpful providing the mimicking voice is helpful in learning 16:32:30 SteveNoble: In video description or audio description, one of the best practice is to use children or younger sounding voices. Using adult voice for children character is not very effective. 16:32:36 Hawaiian pidgin is another example of how language is learned. Not sure if we have ability to spec that as well. 16:32:48 SteveNoble: there is a known factor but not sure how it might come play in literacy 16:33:18 Dee: there is lot of interest in general including children in pronunciation. 16:33:49 PaulG: we agree that we want to talk tot his group to get more information to write up some more use-cases. 16:35:28 janina: including children to support better support for pronunciation is helpful. Giving heads up about the use cases that we have discussed is good idea. 16:35:37 zakim, next item 16:35:37 agendum 5 -- Designating lang for TTS -- taken up [from iali] 16:36:07 I'm also curious how cognates should be marked up. Should they remain in the context language or the borrowed language? 16:38:03 janina: I explained it a problem in APA meeting. but this is a subset of the main problem. 16:39:38 It is good idea to pronounce foreign language correctly. 16:41:44 we need to bring expertise in accessibility, we have other working groups in w3 who do the linguistic stuff. we do not have specific way about the language support for tts. 16:42:03 it has no provision for child voice vs male voice or female voice. 16:43:05 looked for bc-47 which is unicode. it has no concept of ancient language. 16:44:58 https://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt 16:45:00 most common language in the roman empire was ancient greek. Sacred scripture was written in greek. pronunciation that we have is not good to support these languages. All the specs we have today is bc 47 unicode. 16:45:20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5646 16:46:59 I am proposing that what we have for language is doing what shoes up on the screen but doesn't help much in the world of TTS. Joint meeting at TPAC with some groups to help to specify the problems and work on the solutions 16:48:36 https://www.w3.org/TR/speech-synthesis11/#edef_voice covers "age" but not these other issues 16:49:01 Alan: it seems like we are moving beyond the schema. we also need the way to identify the voice pack 16:49:35 PaulG: we also need meta tagging which will allow author to write the required properties 16:50:26 PaulG: not sure if the browser parters or AT would like to implement this. 16:55:21 janina: internationalization group and other group that are working on linguistic could be the part of the joint meeting at TPAC. we have to show them that there is issue 144 in github which is blocking to go it to the CR. there is lot of correspondence which make internationalization work well. 16:55:52 janina: we need to request a join meeting by describing all these problems. It is a bigger deal than we can solve in github. 16:56:20 rrsagent, make minutes 16:56:20 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/30-pronunciation-minutes.html iali