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13:44:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:44:52 <trackbot> Date: 09 March 2022
13:44:59 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:45:01 <jasonjgw> present+
13:45:02 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
13:45:02 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
13:45:02 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
13:45:04 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.
13:45:08 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
13:45:16 <jasonjgw> zakim, clear agenda
13:45:16 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:45:19 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
13:45:19 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
13:45:19 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
13:45:19 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.
13:45:21 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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14:00:22 <janina> present+
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14:00:31 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 5
14:00:31 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:00:37 <SteveNoble> present+
14:00:54 <SteveNoble> scribe: SteveNoble
14:01:55 <SteveNoble> janina: Meeting is next hour on proposed work to set up more sustainable structure for W3C
14:02:41 <SteveNoble> janina: Connection information can be provided by Janina
14:03:04 <SteveNoble> scott_h: Will a recording be available?
14:03:22 <SteveNoble> janina: No; but minutes will be available
14:03:22 <Joshue108> present+
14:03:53 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Also....the maturity model work is being taken on by APA
14:04:29 <SteveNoble> janina: Do we want this work done in RQTF?
14:04:45 <SteveNoble> janina: Answer does not need to be today
14:05:19 <SteveNoble> janina: Next question...many groups are not meeting next week due to CSUN
14:05:46 <SteveNoble> janina: We can meet or not meet, as the group decides
14:06:26 <SteveNoble> janina: Also remember that the US moves time back by one hour, so next week's meetings will be shifted
14:07:20 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: It there anyone who won't be available next week?
14:07:51 <SteveNoble> Lionel: no problem if we want to meet
14:08:09 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Looks like the consensus is to meet next week as usual
14:10:34 <jasonjgw> zkim, list agenda
14:10:58 <jasonjgw> zakim, agenda?
14:10:58 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
14:10:59 <Zakim> 1. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
14:10:59 <Zakim> 2. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]
14:10:59 <Zakim> 3. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
14:10:59 <Zakim> 4. Accessibility of Remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
14:10:59 <Zakim> 5. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
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14:11:10 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 2
14:11:10 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:11:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:12:15 <SteveNoble> Lionel_Wolberger: Main focus has been to get a meeting with CloudFare, but we have not yet got the meeting worked out
14:13:48 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Perhaps check back in 2 weeks?
14:14:59 <SteveNoble> https://github.com/w3c/captcha-accessibility/issues
14:15:52 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: anything else on Captcha?
14:16:18 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 1
14:16:18 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:17:19 <Joshue108> JW: We have a proposal to add a note
14:17:48 <Joshue108> Relating to framerates - brief note
14:18:16 <Joshue108> SN: I think a general reference to framerate would be good in the opening section 1.2
14:18:22 <Joshue108> scribe: Joshue108
14:18:28 <Joshue108> SN: Thats a part of the intro
14:18:47 <Joshue108> Later on in the doc, we get into use cases - and sync impact on users of AT
14:19:05 <Joshue108> Framerate impacts e'thing - so should be near the top IMO
14:19:45 <janina> q+
14:19:57 <Joshue108> If framerate is too low - how closely you sync it, then becomes moot - e.g with lipsyncing you can see movement, so the frames need to be sufficient to see the movement etc
14:20:09 <Joshue108> We want to keep the doc focussed
14:21:01 <Joshue108> The ability to sync something is dependent on framerate - and we can point to the RAUR - RTC A11y User requrements for more as it is covered there
14:21:40 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/TR/raur/
14:22:04 <Joshue108> SN: <Discusses more details on framerates  and syncing>
14:23:12 <Joshue108> q?
14:23:32 <Joshue108> ack Jan
14:23:46 <Joshue108> JS: This is a good idea - I'll relate this to Timed text
14:23:51 <Joshue108> Can't see an objection
14:24:26 <Joshue108> We are waiting to hear back from them - lets keep the emphasis on syncing - and flag the importance of framerate.
14:24:35 <Joshue108> ack Raja
14:25:03 <Joshue108> RK: Just to add, when we talk about framerate - that clarifies, good. Regarding latency..
14:25:19 <Joshue108> We did discuss this before - making sure that was indicated?
14:25:35 <Joshue108> JS: I'm not sure if this is part of the SAUR - this relates more to presentation stuff
14:26:00 <Joshue108> We talk about this more in the RAUR (RTC A11y User Requirements doc -  see link above)
14:26:13 <Joshue108> Better to reference that from the SAUR etc
14:26:31 <Joshue108> Makes managing docs easier - procedural concern there
14:26:57 <Joshue108> JW: We can turn that into a draft - Steve, will I take your text and add it to sec 1.2 in a new branch?
14:27:01 <Joshue108> SN: yes great stuff
14:27:14 <Joshue108> Happy to see a general note on frame rate and the link to the RAUR
14:27:37 <Joshue108> SN: I'll take that bit focussed on caption syncing etc
14:27:42 <Joshue108> JW: I'll get that started
14:28:06 <Joshue108> That way we get all the changes, comments?
14:28:17 <Joshue108> JS: Sounds good
14:28:55 <Joshue108> JS: I'm open to things we need to say differently and happy to version docs also
14:29:27 <Joshue108> JW: Final comments on SAUR?
14:29:57 <Joshue108> JS: This work is impacting on the Silver work  <Gives overview>
14:30:53 <Joshue108> Realtime vs pre-recorded media
14:31:26 <Joshue108> scribe: SteveNoble
14:31:57 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 3
14:31:57 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:32:18 <SteveNoble> Thanks, Josh
14:32:46 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur_coga_edits_2022/naur/index.html#cross-disability-support
14:34:06 <janina> +1 to rcoss disability support
14:34:24 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Need to discuss - started incorporated COGA requirements, but shifted to discussing as "cross disability"
14:34:58 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Looking at a continuum of support
14:35:17 <SteveNoble> Was hoping for a review of that approach
14:35:30 <Joshue108> s/rcoss/cross
14:36:26 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: One aspect is that knowing the cognitive needs of an audience cannot be easily determined
14:37:02 <Joshue108> q?
14:37:25 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: What is adequate help, for example, may vary widely due to cognitive needs
14:38:34 <SteveNoble> janina: Also...knowing your audience expected familiarity with the topic is an issue
14:39:23 <SteveNoble> janina: General principles such as help given in content (not just a TOC of the help section)
14:39:53 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Anything else on this item?
14:41:06 <SteveNoble> Raja: thumbs up
14:41:18 <Joshue108> thanks Raja!
14:41:20 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:41:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:41:31 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 4
14:41:31 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Accessibility of Remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:42:16 <SteveNoble> Anything to be said?
14:42:42 <SteveNoble> Scott: should be in a position to discuss next week
14:43:22 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Let's discuss next week assuming the changes get made
14:43:51 <SteveNoble> janina: We could also discuss even before the changes get made
14:45:44 <SteveNoble> janina: Can also start thinking about prepping for messaging
14:46:48 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Let's start with messaging we used last time and go from there
14:47:48 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We are making good progress on several documents at the same time
14:48:41 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
14:48:41 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, SteveNoble, Joshue, scott_h_, janina, scott_h, Lionel_Wolberger
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