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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 09 March 2022

13:44:59 [jasonjgw]

chair: jasonjgw

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present+

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agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.

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agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.

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agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.

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agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.

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agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.

13:45:16 [jasonjgw]

zakim, clear agenda

13:45:16 [Zakim]

agenda cleared

13:45:19 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.

13:45:19 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.

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agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.

13:45:19 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.

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agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.

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present+

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14:00:27 [scott_h]

present+

14:00:31 [jasonjgw]

zakim, take up item 5

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agendum 5 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:00:37 [SteveNoble]

present+

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scribe: SteveNoble

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janina: Meeting is next hour on proposed work to set up more sustainable structure for W3C

14:02:41 [SteveNoble]

janina: Connection information can be provided by Janina

14:03:04 [SteveNoble]

scott_h: Will a recording be available?

14:03:22 [SteveNoble]

janina: No; but minutes will be available

14:03:22 [Joshue108]

present+

14:03:53 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Also....the maturity model work is being taken on by APA

14:04:29 [SteveNoble]

janina: Do we want this work done in RQTF?

14:04:45 [SteveNoble]

janina: Answer does not need to be today

14:05:19 [SteveNoble]

janina: Next question...many groups are not meeting next week due to CSUN

14:05:46 [SteveNoble]

janina: We can meet or not meet, as the group decides

14:06:26 [SteveNoble]

janina: Also remember that the US moves time back by one hour, so next week's meetings will be shifted

14:07:20 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: It there anyone who won't be available next week?

14:07:51 [SteveNoble]

Lionel: no problem if we want to meet

14:08:09 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Looks like the consensus is to meet next week as usual

14:10:34 [jasonjgw]

zkim, list agenda

14:10:58 [jasonjgw]

zakim, agenda?

14:10:58 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]

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2. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]

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3. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]

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4. Accessibility of Remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]

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5. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]

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zakim, take up item 2

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agendum 2 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:11:11 [Lionel_Wolberger]

present+

14:12:15 [SteveNoble]

Lionel_Wolberger: Main focus has been to get a meeting with CloudFare, but we have not yet got the meeting worked out

14:13:48 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Perhaps check back in 2 weeks?

14:14:59 [SteveNoble]

https://github.com/w3c/captcha-accessibility/issues

14:15:52 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: anything else on Captcha?

14:16:18 [jasonjgw]

zakim, take up item 1

14:16:18 [Zakim]

agendum 1 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:17:19 [Joshue108]

JW: We have a proposal to add a note

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Relating to framerates - brief note

14:18:16 [Joshue108]

SN: I think a general reference to framerate would be good in the opening section 1.2

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scribe: Joshue108

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SN: Thats a part of the intro

14:18:47 [Joshue108]

Later on in the doc, we get into use cases - and sync impact on users of AT

14:19:05 [Joshue108]

Framerate impacts e'thing - so should be near the top IMO

14:19:45 [janina]

q+

14:19:57 [Joshue108]

If framerate is too low - how closely you sync it, then becomes moot - e.g with lipsyncing you can see movement, so the frames need to be sufficient to see the movement etc

14:20:09 [Joshue108]

We want to keep the doc focussed

14:21:01 [Joshue108]

The ability to sync something is dependent on framerate - and we can point to the RAUR - RTC A11y User requrements for more as it is covered there

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https://www.w3.org/TR/raur/

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SN: <Discusses more details on framerates and syncing>

14:23:12 [Joshue108]

q?

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ack Jan

14:23:46 [Joshue108]

JS: This is a good idea - I'll relate this to Timed text

14:23:51 [Joshue108]

Can't see an objection

14:24:26 [Joshue108]

We are waiting to hear back from them - lets keep the emphasis on syncing - and flag the importance of framerate.

14:24:35 [Joshue108]

ack Raja

14:25:03 [Joshue108]

RK: Just to add, when we talk about framerate - that clarifies, good. Regarding latency..

14:25:19 [Joshue108]

We did discuss this before - making sure that was indicated?

14:25:35 [Joshue108]

JS: I'm not sure if this is part of the SAUR - this relates more to presentation stuff

14:26:00 [Joshue108]

We talk about this more in the RAUR (RTC A11y User Requirements doc - see link above)

14:26:13 [Joshue108]

Better to reference that from the SAUR etc

14:26:31 [Joshue108]

Makes managing docs easier - procedural concern there

14:26:57 [Joshue108]

JW: We can turn that into a draft - Steve, will I take your text and add it to sec 1.2 in a new branch?

14:27:01 [Joshue108]

SN: yes great stuff

14:27:14 [Joshue108]

Happy to see a general note on frame rate and the link to the RAUR

14:27:37 [Joshue108]

SN: I'll take that bit focussed on caption syncing etc

14:27:42 [Joshue108]

JW: I'll get that started

14:28:06 [Joshue108]

That way we get all the changes, comments?

14:28:17 [Joshue108]

JS: Sounds good

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JS: I'm open to things we need to say differently and happy to version docs also

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JW: Final comments on SAUR?

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JS: This work is impacting on the Silver work <Gives overview>

14:30:53 [Joshue108]

Realtime vs pre-recorded media

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scribe: SteveNoble

14:31:57 [jasonjgw]

zakim, take up item 3

14:31:57 [Zakim]

agendum 3 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:32:18 [SteveNoble]

Thanks, Josh

14:32:46 [Joshue108]

https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur_coga_edits_2022/naur/index.html#cross-disability-support

14:34:06 [janina]

+1 to rcoss disability support

14:34:24 [SteveNoble]

Joshue108: Need to discuss - started incorporated COGA requirements, but shifted to discussing as "cross disability"

14:34:58 [SteveNoble]

Joshue108: Looking at a continuum of support

14:35:17 [SteveNoble]

Was hoping for a review of that approach

14:35:30 [Joshue108]

s/rcoss/cross

14:36:26 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: One aspect is that knowing the cognitive needs of an audience cannot be easily determined

14:37:02 [Joshue108]

q?

14:37:25 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: What is adequate help, for example, may vary widely due to cognitive needs

14:38:34 [SteveNoble]

janina: Also...knowing your audience expected familiarity with the topic is an issue

14:39:23 [SteveNoble]

janina: General principles such as help given in content (not just a TOC of the help section)

14:39:53 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Anything else on this item?

14:41:06 [SteveNoble]

Raja: thumbs up

14:41:18 [Joshue108]

thanks Raja!

14:41:20 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

14:41:20 [Zakim]

agendum 1 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:41:31 [jasonjgw]

zakim, take up item 4

14:41:31 [Zakim]

agendum 4 -- Accessibility of Remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:42:16 [SteveNoble]

Anything to be said?

14:42:42 [SteveNoble]

Scott: should be in a position to discuss next week

14:43:22 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Let's discuss next week assuming the changes get made

14:43:51 [SteveNoble]

janina: We could also discuss even before the changes get made

14:45:44 [SteveNoble]

janina: Can also start thinking about prepping for messaging

14:46:48 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Let's start with messaging we used last time and go from there

14:47:48 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: We are making good progress on several documents at the same time

14:48:41 [jasonjgw]

zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, SteveNoble, Joshue, scott_h_, janina, scott_h, Lionel_Wolberger

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