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11:00:31 <kaz> meeting: WoT Architecture
11:00:38 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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11:02:47 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool, Michael_Lagally
11:02:50 <kaz> chai: Lagally
11:03:33 <kaz> s/chai:/chair:/
11:03:40 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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11:08:10 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
11:08:33 <kaz> topic: Minutes
11:09:30 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/02/17-wot-arch-minutes.html Feb-17
11:09:32 <kaz> approved
11:10:25 <kaz> topic: Agenda
11:10:31 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Architecture_March_3rd.2C_2022 agenda for today
11:10:46 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
11:11:02 <kaz> topic: PRs
11:11:06 <kaz> subtopic: PR 707
11:11:24 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/707 PR 707 - Draft Implementation Report
11:11:42 <kaz> mm: suggest we merge this PR, and I and Fady will work on further updates
11:12:03 <kaz> ... my tool collaborating with his one
11:12:37 <kaz> ... have to fix some strange issues with the CSV files, though
11:13:12 <kaz> ... will check the categories, etc.
11:13:24 <kaz> ml: perhaps you could delete wrong parts?
11:13:33 <kaz> mm: caused by the tools
11:13:46 <kaz> ml: when would we be ready?
11:14:01 <kaz> ... CSV results, testimonials, ...
11:14:25 <kaz> mm: will clean it up
11:14:29 <kaz> ml: ok
11:14:36 <kaz> ... we still need another round
11:14:59 <kaz> ... let's visit this next week then
11:15:03 <kaz> mm: ok
11:15:28 <kaz> subtopic: PR 71
11:15:32 <kaz> s/71/711/
11:15:44 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/711 PR 711 - Definitions for Device, Service, etc.
11:16:34 <kaz> mm: definition for device, etc.
11:16:55 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-architecture/711/78521c3...mmccool:14d0d30.html#terminology diff - 3. Terminology
11:18:18 <kaz> mm: regarding "Digital Twin", one actual physical device and virtual thing
11:18:35 <kaz> ml: (shows "Virtual Thing")
11:19:47 <kaz> mm: a service representing the functionality of a Thing
11:20:14 <kaz> q+
11:20:24 <kaz> ml: a bit overlap with shadow
11:21:01 <kaz> kaz: good starting point
11:21:20 <kaz> ... but a bit complicated, e.g., about "Virtual Thing"
11:21:23 <kaz> mm: yeah
11:21:28 <kaz> ... but not ambiguous
11:21:35 <kaz> ack k
11:21:41 <kaz> ml: ok
11:21:45 <kaz> ... let's merge this
11:21:57 <kaz> ... and we can add further improvement if needed
11:22:23 <kaz> ... (then shows the Editor's note for "Partial TD")
11:22:40 <kaz> mm: producing method for more details
11:22:53 <kaz> ... we should check if the definition is true
11:23:29 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/2020/NOTE-wot-scripting-api-20201124/#the-produce-method Scripting API Note - 5.2 The produce() method
11:24:21 <kaz> mm: there are mandatory things which are not specified by the spec
11:24:46 <kaz> ml: will create an Issue and assign it to Daniel as the Scripting API Editor
11:25:33 <kaz> ... (creates a new issue)
11:25:47 <mlagally_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/714
11:26:06 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
11:26:19 <kaz> s/714/714 Issue 714 - Outdated note on partial TD ?
11:26:31 <kaz> ml: (going back to the Terminology)
11:26:40 <kaz> ... TD Fragment
11:27:31 <kaz> ... (another Editor's note there)
11:27:40 <kaz> [[
11:27:41 <kaz> In JSON representation it must be a valid JSON document, however could be just an inner structure omitting outer elements, curly braces etc. present in a full TD. As a use case the TD Fragment is useful for Discovery results returned by a JSON-Path query. See the WoT Discovery specification [ WOT-DISCOVERY ] for more details.
11:27:41 <kaz> ]]
11:27:51 <kaz> mm: my preference leave it out
11:28:04 <kaz> ml: (creates another new issue)
11:28:21 <mlagally_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/715
11:28:42 <kaz> s/715/715 Issue 715 - Verify note on TD Fragment/
11:28:46 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
11:28:53 <kaz> ml: let's merge PR 711 itself now
11:29:00 <kaz> (merged)
11:29:32 <kaz> subtopic: PR 712
11:29:42 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/712 PR 712 - Terminology diagram as worked out on the Architecture call on Feb 17th
11:29:47 <kaz> mm: let's merge this
11:30:05 <kaz> ml: if somebody has time, would be good to update it
11:30:23 <kaz> mm: is that an SVG file?
11:30:27 <kaz> ml: yes, SVG
11:30:46 <kaz> (merged)
11:30:51 <kaz> subtopic: PR 704
11:31:21 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/704 PR 704 - restructuring lifecycle section
11:31:31 <kaz> ml: not really readable yet...
11:32:07 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-architecture/704/7368123...585c10a.html#lifecycle diff - 7.4 Lifecycle
11:32:51 <kaz> ml: let's look at the rendered version
11:33:43 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/704.html#lifecycle preview - 7.4 Lifecycle
11:33:52 <kaz> ml: (goes through it
11:33:57 <kaz> s/it/it)/
11:34:07 <kaz> mm: typo with "become"
11:34:26 <kaz> s/become/becomer/
11:34:59 <kaz> ... reviewing the lifecycle diagram is on the tray of the Security TF as well
11:35:09 <kaz> ... I'm OK but the TF should review it again
11:35:26 <kaz> ... none of the diagrams are inconsistent
11:35:39 <kaz> s/inconsistent/inconsistent with the previous discussions/
11:35:58 <kaz> ... one thing not mentioned is security
11:36:21 <kaz> ... Security TF to review the section and think about additional description
11:36:40 <kaz> ... not wrong but stuff it out
11:36:48 <kaz> ml: absolutely
11:36:59 <kaz> ... section structure to be fixed, though
11:37:49 <kaz> ... (for "Thing Lifecycle", etc.)
11:37:53 <kaz> ... will fix it
11:38:14 <kaz> subtopic: PR 703
11:38:35 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/703 PR 703 - removing obsolete ednotes
11:39:15 <kaz> ml: (shows the "Files changed")
11:39:31 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/703/files Files changed
11:39:54 <kaz> (merged)
11:40:05 <kaz> subtopic: PR 700
11:40:26 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/700 PR 700 - Update Abstract
11:40:31 <kaz> ml: let's merge it
11:40:34 <kaz> mm: ok
11:40:36 <kaz> (merged)
11:40:57 <kaz> subtopic: PR 713
11:41:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/713 PR 713 - Align the scripting interfaces in Architecture with the conformance classes in Scripting
11:41:24 <kaz> ml: (shoes the "Files changed")
11:41:36 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/713/files Files changed
11:41:41 <kaz> ml: would merge this
11:41:43 <kaz> (merged)
11:41:50 <kaz> subtopic: PR 695
11:42:28 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/695 PR 695 - fixes #688: Improving language, adding rfc2119 assertion
11:42:38 <kaz> ml: (shows "Files changed")
11:42:50 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/695/files Files changed
11:42:59 <kaz> ml: adding Thing Model
11:43:01 <kaz> mm: fine
11:43:18 <kaz> ... definition for "Thing Directory"?
11:43:34 <kaz> ... also "Thing Description Directory"
11:43:49 <kaz> ml: let's see what we have for the Terminology
11:43:58 <kaz> (missing)
11:44:03 <kaz> ml: let's create an issue for that
11:44:59 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/716 Issue 716 - change "Thing directory" to "Thing description directory"
11:45:09 <kaz> ml: any volunteers?
11:45:25 <kaz> ... (assigns it to McCool)
11:45:31 <kaz> ... some others could help
11:46:01 <kaz> ml: (goes back to PR 695 itself)
11:46:11 <kaz> ... would suggest we merge this
11:46:19 <kaz> mm: can you go back this again?
11:46:34 <kaz> (look at the changes)
11:46:39 <kaz> mm: ok with merging this
11:46:41 <kaz> (merged)
11:46:53 <kaz> topic: Issues
11:47:12 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 709
11:47:29 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/709 Issue 709 - Definitions for Virtual Thing, Shadow, and Digital Twins
11:47:33 <kaz> (closed)
11:47:40 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 708
11:48:11 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/708 Issue 708 - Definitions for Entities that are Things
11:48:13 <ktoumura> +q
11:48:16 <kaz> (closed
11:48:23 <kaz> s/d/d)/
11:48:39 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 698
11:49:05 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/698 Issue 698 - Revise Abstract
11:49:07 <kaz> (closed)
11:49:27 <kaz> tou: for issue 708, generated a diagram
11:49:32 <kaz> ... how to deal with that?
11:49:42 <kaz> ml: let's revisit it then
11:49:58 <kaz> i/tou:/topic: Issue 708 (revisited)
11:50:30 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/708#issuecomment-1041415429 Toumura-san's comment including the diagram
11:50:35 <kaz> tou: how to install it?
11:50:45 <kaz> ... should create a separate file?
11:50:50 <kaz> ml: yes, please
11:50:56 <kaz> q+
11:50:59 <kaz> ack kt
11:51:15 <kaz> ml: would be helpful to understand the concept
11:51:47 <kaz> tou: should update this based on the recent discussion, though
11:52:12 <kaz> ml: you could create a PR for this
11:52:15 <kaz> q?
11:52:20 <kaz> q-
11:52:26 <kaz> kaz: +1
11:52:28 <kaz> tou: ok
11:52:34 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:52:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:52:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/03-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
11:53:08 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 682
11:53:18 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/682 Issue 682 - clarify virtual thing
11:53:27 <kaz> ml: still need some more improvement?
11:53:51 <kaz> mm: it's confusing
11:54:03 <kaz> ... for me, "virtual" is somewhat software
11:54:23 <kaz> ... maybe we need another term for "Physical THing"
11:54:26 <kaz> s/THing/Thing/
11:54:35 <kaz> ... I've not commented about that
11:54:47 <kaz> ml: the question is comes back to the TD discussion
11:54:54 <kaz> s/comes/that comes/
11:55:30 <kaz> ... wondering how many people would know
11:55:47 <kaz> s/know/know about RDF, etc./
11:56:10 <kaz> mm: let's see how people handle it, e.g., for building management
11:56:20 <kaz> ... Takena, Siemens, etc.
11:57:00 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/696 related PR 696 - New section on "virtual things", clarifying terminology
11:57:47 <kaz> ml: trying to think about use cases
11:57:58 <kaz> ... location of Things and geofencing
11:58:27 <kaz> ... but this PR 696 itself is a separate one
11:58:35 <kaz> mm: can merge it?
11:59:06 <kaz> ml: let's keep it now
11:59:17 <kaz> topic: AOB
11:59:31 <kaz> ml: we still have a couple of tasks for spec review
11:59:45 <mlagally_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22spec+alignment%22
11:59:49 <kaz> s/review/alignment/
12:00:03 <kaz> ml: also we got a couple of new issues
12:00:39 <kaz> ... please raise your hands for the issues lacking assignees
12:00:56 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:01:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:01:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/03-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
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