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14:45:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:45:53 <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2022
14:45:57 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/5e4758ba-3e80-4e71-b333-5f2c4fd95abd/20220303T150000
14:45:57 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:45:57 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:45:57 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:46:00 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:46:02 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
14:46:04 <agendabot> agenda+ HTML input type=email
14:46:07 <agendabot> agenda+ HTML street address auto-complete
14:46:09 <agendabot> agenda+ WOT #1486
14:46:11 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:46:20 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:46:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/03-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:49:02 <addison> regrets+ JcK
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15:00:27 <addison> present+ Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, Erik, Addison
15:00:27 <xfq> present+
15:00:31 <xfq> present-
15:04:36 <xfq> scribe: xfq
15:05:01 <addison> agenda?
15:05:10 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:05:10 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:05:24 <r12a> agenda+ PRs for string meta
15:05:39 <xfq> addison: does anybody have anything that they would like to add to the agenda?
15:05:44 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:05:44 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:06:03 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:06:33 <xfq> addison: ACTION-925 is blocked by PRs
15:07:02 <xfq> ... ACTION-1017 not finished yet
15:07:34 <xfq> ... ACTION-1094 is waiting on the explainer
15:07:51 <addison> agenda+ explainer
15:08:38 <xfq> ... ACTION-1115 is a topic for later
15:09:31 <addison> action: addison: figure out what fuqiao's action item is and send him a note
15:09:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1124 - Figure out what fuqiao's action item is and send him a note [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-03-10].
15:10:05 <xfq> ... ACTION-1120 is on the agenda
15:10:22 <xfq> close ACTION-1121
15:10:22 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1121.
15:10:43 <xfq> close ACTION-1122
15:10:43 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1122.
15:11:01 <xfq> close ACTION-1123
15:11:01 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1123.
15:11:12 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:11:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:11:42 <xfq> addison: I attended @@ teleconferences yesterday
15:11:54 <xfq> ... for adopting JSON-LD metadata
15:11:56 <xfq> q+
15:12:25 <xfq> ... directional markup for JSON-LD serialization work
15:12:38 <xfq> ... a couple of issues are still investigatory
15:12:58 <xfq> ... basically it's a successful engagement with them
15:13:03 <addison> ack xfq
15:13:15 <xfq> s/@@/WoT/
15:13:36 <xfq> https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22007r2-avoiding-spoof.pdf
15:13:56 <atsushi> q+ woring around ruby in JL-TF (e.g. https://github.com/w3c/ruby-t2s-req/issues/31
15:14:02 <xfq> xfq: The Unicode folks has convened a group of experts in programming languages, tooling, and security to provide guidance and recommendations on how to better handle international text in source code.
15:14:49 <atsushi> ack a
15:14:53 <atsushi> https://github.com/w3c/ruby-t2s-req/issues/31
15:15:20 <xfq> atsushi: murata-san is working on ruby t2s req
15:15:28 <xfq> ... he's wondering the terminology
15:15:41 <xfq> ... we need to develop some english wording
15:16:02 <xfq> ... like assigning ruby to every terms
15:16:09 <xfq> ... if you have time please check this issue
15:17:10 <xfq> atsushi: we discussed about terminology
15:17:11 <xfq> ... discussed the terminology in css-ruby-1
15:17:51 <xfq> addison: in the past we've often adopted the romonized versions of the Japanese terms for specific Japapnese typographic handling of ruby
15:18:03 <r12a> q+
15:18:10 <xfq> ... my tendency is to use the Japanese terms or the Chinese terms
15:18:15 <xfq> ack r
15:18:42 <xfq> r12a: in this case the concept applies to both chinese and japanese
15:19:00 <xfq> ... generally chinese people do not to general-ruby
15:19:17 <xfq> ... but it is not a japanese term and exists in chinese
15:19:54 <xfq> atsushi: it would be great to have some general consensus of using romaji or something else
15:19:59 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/#term.para-ruby
15:20:14 <xfq> addison: if we have a glossary it would be easier to discuss
15:20:24 <xfq> r12a: something like i just pasted on irc
15:20:31 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/#term.general-ruby
15:20:40 <xfq> addison: yeah
15:20:54 <atsushi> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15153621/
15:21:13 <xfq> atsushi: there may be some developments in external publications like ^
15:21:25 <xfq> addison: we don't have to invent stuff that exists
15:22:30 <xfq> r12a: wonder if we should use the word annotation or ruby
15:22:57 <xfq> atsushi: if you have any comment please comment in the github issue
15:23:07 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:23:07 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:23:15 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
15:23:57 <xfq> addison: Urlpattern
15:24:05 <xfq> xfq: I can review this
15:25:10 <xfq> Bert: I'll be out starting next Wednesday for one week and a half
15:26:30 <xfq> addison: CSS variables
15:26:40 <xfq> ... we have pending issues in the agenda for today
15:26:46 <addison> agenda?
15:27:32 <xfq> r12a: as I mentioned before Noto Nastaliq Urdu font has been updated to support Kashmiri
15:27:47 <xfq> ... what I got was just the diacritics
15:28:10 <xfq> ... I don't know what the problem is but maybe the WebFont was incorrect
15:28:20 <xfq> ... then I used fonttools
15:28:34 <xfq> ... it's a command line tool that you can install
15:28:47 <xfq> ... i have yet to write down how you install it and how you use it
15:29:24 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
15:29:24 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- explainer -- taken up [from addison]
15:29:40 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md
15:29:50 <xfq> ... there seems to be a problem with macOS
15:30:21 <xfq> ... you can install a new version of Noto Nastaliq Urdu font, but the system would use a really old version that it had installed
15:31:11 <xfq> ... sharing this so that you don't spend hours like I did trying to figure out what's going on
15:31:28 <xfq> addison: a series of edits to the explainer
15:32:05 <xfq> ... i kept the spillover effect portion and did a little bit of editing around ti
15:32:14 <xfq> s/around ti/around it/
15:33:01 <xfq> r12a: this looks better
15:33:31 <xfq> ... there's still an ins tag
15:33:40 <xfq> addison: i'll find it and destroy it
15:34:26 <addison> agenda?
15:34:38 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:34:38 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- PRs for string meta -- taken up [from r12a]
15:34:47 <xfq> addison: i'll file an issue against the TAG
15:35:10 <xfq> r12a: there really is a lot going on in string-meta
15:35:22 <xfq> ... lots of glossary work
15:35:32 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/56
15:35:36 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/56
15:36:08 <xfq> ... i wanted to first of all talk about how we do glossary terms
15:36:23 <xfq> ... we add a bunch of glossary terms to the terminology section
15:36:43 <xfq> ... but the definitions also exist in the glossary now
15:37:05 <xfq> ... i think we shouldn't
15:37:36 <xfq> ... would be relevant to move @@ to the place where we use the terms
15:38:13 <xfq> addison: i'm happy to put general definitions in the glossary and remove them from here
15:38:50 <xfq> ... my real problem here is we created this PR to add the warning
15:39:14 <xfq> ... i forgot we had a PR
15:39:59 <xfq> addison: i want to merge this and do fresh edits
15:40:12 <xfq> ... i'm happy to take the action to fix up the glossary stuff
15:40:23 <xfq> ... and remove the definitions again
15:40:46 <xfq> ... if you want me to do that before we merge this i can do that
15:40:57 <xfq> r12a: there's a lot of stuff in this PR
15:41:49 <xfq> addison: Specifications SHOULD NOT use the Unicode "language tag" characters
15:42:01 <xfq> r12a: like i said that's reasonable ok
15:43:19 <xfq> ... if you deal with the terminology stuff then let's just merge it
15:43:38 <xfq> addison: i will fix the terminology and then i'll merge this
15:45:41 <xfq> atsushi: diff link includes the commit hash, so should be fine
15:46:32 <addison> action: addison: fix glossary/terminology section in string-meta PR and merge the results
15:46:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1125 - Fix glossary/terminology section in string-meta pr and merge the results [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-03-10].
15:47:11 <xfq> addison: what about the other PRs?
15:47:16 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/52
15:47:51 <xfq> r12a: i guess i need to ask you whether you're happy
15:48:12 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/56
15:48:24 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-glossary/#def_bidirectional_text
15:48:53 <xfq> addison: i think your PR was the definition that is now in the glossary
15:49:31 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/48
15:50:02 <xfq> r12a: i would merge this PR
15:50:11 <xfq> ... if we can resolve the merge conflicts
15:50:23 <addison> action: addison: resolve conflicts in string-meta PR #48 and merge
15:50:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1126 - Resolve conflicts in string-meta pr #48 and merge [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-03-10].
15:50:38 <xfq> addison: ok
15:50:56 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/35
15:51:07 <xfq> r12a: it's suggested by Manu a long time ago
15:51:20 <xfq> ... once we've done other stuff we can look at this
15:51:49 <xfq> ... and you see why i wanted to have a clean document to start with
15:52:05 <xfq> addison: yeah
15:52:25 <xfq> ... i feel a little bit of urgency because we're going to ask the TAG about this
15:52:29 <addison> agenda?
15:52:57 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:52:57 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- HTML input type=email -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:53:26 <xfq> addison: as a reminder when we last looking at this
15:53:39 <xfq> ... the left hand side of email address was still restricted to ascii
15:53:56 <xfq> ... the proposal was to fix this
15:54:17 <xfq> ... the right hand side is validated by the domain names, browsers already do that
15:55:11 <xfq> ... Erik i don't know if you have any insight about this
15:55:20 <xfq> Erik: I don't have
15:56:16 <xfq> addison: if it's reached production that would save a great deal of going back and asking the world to fix it
15:56:31 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/845
15:56:40 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/607
15:56:59 <addison> https://github.com/danschultzer/pow/issues/253
15:57:19 <addison> https://github.com/dotnet/aspnetcore/issues/9107
15:57:40 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:57:40 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:58:19 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/03-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:59:02 <xfq> r12a: i've asked xfq to run i18n spec reviews
15:59:18 <xfq> ... we have three main areas
15:59:25 <xfq> ... language enablement
15:59:37 <xfq> ... education & outreach
15:59:58 <xfq> ... and developer support including spec reviews
16:00:07 <xfq> addison: thank you
16:00:18 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
16:00:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/03-i18n-minutes.html xfq