main has joined #wot 13:04:56 present+ Michael_Lagally, Tetsushi_Matsuda 13:05:14 matsuda has joined #wot 13:05:32 present+ Daniel_Peintner 13:06:22 dape has joined #wot 13:06:53 Mizushima has joined #wot 13:06:55 scribe:dape 13:07:12 cris has joined #wot 13:07:16 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:07:43 TOPIC: Minutes 13:07:55 -> Feb-23 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/02/23-wot-minutes.html 13:10:08 s/html/html Feb-23/ 13:10:16 zakim, who is on the call? 13:10:16 Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Daniel_Peintner, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:10:31 present+ Michael_Koster 13:10:36 MMC: Any objections to publishing ? 13:10:45 ... none - minutes approved 13:10:53 TOPIC: Quick updates 13:11:04 SUBTOPIC: TD call will start exactly on the hour; visitor that only has 30m 13:11:16 MMC: Visitor from internalization 13:11:30 Ege: Yes, please be on time 13:11:52 MMC: UTF-8 requirement is not clear to me.. in all specs or just in TD 13:12:13 SUBTOPIC: Calendar entries now available in W3C system for all WoT meetings 13:12:23 MMC: updated W3C calendars 13:12:33 -> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/wot/calendar 13:12:34 https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/wot/calendar 13:12:52 ... same event in IG, https://www.w3.org/groups/ig/wot/calendar 13:12:57 ... we can use labels 13:13:23 ... copied information from wiki, added WebEx 13:13:32 q+ 13:14:29 DP: possible to use overall ICS file 13:15:00 Ege: In cancellation we should point to the new calendar 13:15:35 MMC: BTW, Architecture is in wrong slot 13:15:39 Ege: fixed by now 13:15:54 MMC: special events e.g. Plugfest 13:16:00 --> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2022.03.Online/README.md 13:16:19 MMC: need discussion timeslot 13:16:31 ... WebEx is allocated 13:16:39 ... need to add it to W3C calendar 13:16:55 ... need to talk about conflicting meetings 13:17:09 ... discovery/testing ? 13:17:37 ... will update W3C calendar 13:17:56 ... that week Daylight saving starts on 13 March 2022 13:18:03 ... please check calendar 13:18:14 ... meetings are setup in US Eastern time 13:18:37 ... see also the announcement from the MarComm Team 13:18:44 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2022JanMar/0060.html 13:19:19 Ege: dangerous :-) 13:19:34 MMC: Worst case.. you show up 1 hour earlier 13:19:46 ... ICS invite should land in right spot 13:20:24 q+ 13:20:30 ack dape 13:20:56 ack k 13:21:00 Kaz: change times based on UTC affects all Americans and WebExes 13:21:21 MMC: Will update wikis accordingly (also w.r.t. cancellations) 13:21:25 s/affects/would affect/ 13:22:14 ... to task-forces: talk about possible cancellation 13:22:54 MMC: I suggest to cancel other meetings, if not specified otherwise... except the main call 13:23:10 ... Please make a note on the wiki 13:23:31 SUBTOPIC: Meeting with AB TODAY on March 2 13:23:38 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2022JanMar/0067.html 13:23:58 MMC: about legal entity 13:24:12 ... you can also go tomorrow, March 3, 3:00 UTC 13:24:21 SUBTOPIC: Editors' sync-up call on Tuesday 13:24:30 -> Mar -> https://www.w3.org/2022/03/01-wot-ed-minutes.html 13:24:44 MMC: looking into consistency 13:24:58 SUBTOPIC: WoT Japanese CG updates 13:25:16 -> https://wot-jp-cg.connpass.com/event/239394/ 13:25:19 TM: ECHONET meeting March 11 13:25:42 s|94/|94/ WoT-JP CG event on ECHONET| 13:25:54 s/-> Mar ->/->/ 13:26:20 s/ed-minutes.html/ed-minutes.html Mar-1 Editors call/ 13:26:20 MMC: Should go into events on website 13:26:24 DP: Will do 13:26:33 SUBTOPIC: Conformance statements in informative documents... "Note Track" 13:26:45 MMC: planned to be discussed in Editor call 13:26:53 q+ 13:26:56 ... not many attendees 13:27:06 ... shifted to next week 13:27:18 q- 13:27:19 Kaz: Propose to check with each AC rep 13:27:32 MMC: Correct, but first we should discuss it in editors call 13:28:12 SUBTOPIC: Chairs survey about TPAC 2022 13:28:26 s/Propose/thought you had proposed/ 13:28:35 MMC: Chairs meeting 13:28:42 rrsagent, make log public 13:28:45 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2022Feb/0009.html 13:28:46 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:28:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:29:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:29:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:29:17 ... plan is to identify attendance 13:29:54 ... finalize survey by next week 13:30:00 s/67.html/67.html Tzviya's reminder (Member-only)/ 13:30:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:30:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:30:11 TOPIC: Rechartering and Charter Extensions 13:30:21 SUBTOPIC: WG Charter Extension 13:30:40 MMC: worked on PR, https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1014 13:30:48 ... about Update a11y collaboration description 13:31:13 Kaz: I reminded security/privacy people 13:31:30 TOPIC: Publications 13:31:45 kaz: working on use-case document 13:31:51 ... with MLagally 13:32:01 kaz: working on TD and static version 13:32:05 ... and pubrule checker 13:32:33 Kaz: DP working on TD? 13:32:40 DP: Did that already 13:32:49 s/checker/checker with Daniel/ 13:32:50 Kaz: Okay, let's discuss in TD call 13:33:05 s/discuss/discuss the detail/ 13:33:14 MMC: Discovery needs new normative content (Feb 4 -> Feb 28 in schedule...) 13:33:26 .. still pending, unfortunately; we are now behind schedule 13:33:30 MMC: Any other updates 13:33:37 ... none 13:33:52 SUBTOPIC: Wide review: Security TF will look at questionnaire for all deliverables 13:34:01 MMC: raft here: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/ver11-cr-security-and-privacy-quest/publication/ver11/cr/security_and_privacy.md 13:34:10 s/raft/draft 13:34:20 ... got comment about UTF-8 13:34:22 q? 13:34:30 ... global assertion 13:35:07 MMC: I am working on security questionnaire 13:35:20 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1382 13:35:33 ... please take a look at actual text in PR 13:35:47 ... will address comments from MLagally 13:35:47 s/ raft/ draft/ 13:36:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:36:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:36:33 MMC: Close it next Wed in main call 13:36:42 i/working on us/subtopic: Use cases Note and TD WD/ 13:37:11 MMC: plan to work on Accessibility also 13:37:32 s/1382/1382 wot-thing-description PR 1382 - Create Security and Privacy Questionnaire Answers for Ver 1.1 CR Process/ 13:37:33 ... btw, Internationalization has MD file template 13:37:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:37:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:37:45 q+ 13:37:45 TOPIC: Marketing 13:37:52 SUBTOPIC: WoT CG next step 13:38:00 Kaz: send reminder 2 weeks ago 13:38:10 ... got feedback from Ege and Cristiano 13:38:31 ... if both are okay.. we can nominate them for chairs 13:38:38 MMC: Voting now? 13:38:59 Kaz: not really necessary? Can do that now if both agree 13:39:16 Ege: I would be agreeing to be co-chair 13:40:14 Kaz: Are both of you okay with the procedure? 13:40:32 ... withdrawing one and the others selects the co-chair 13:41:08 MMC: We announced we have 1 chair only.. which could select a co-chair 13:41:29 Kaz: I added note that if both co-chairs are OK we can agree 13:41:51 MMC: Suggest to send email that we have 2 co-chairs now 13:41:57 Kaz: Will do 13:42:04 Ege/Cristiano: Thanks! 13:42:35 TOPIC: Testing needed prior to CR transition 13:42:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:42:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:42:48 MMC: implementation report 13:42:58 ... we need to get organized 13:43:09 ... side-meeting on Thursady 13:43:22 ... descriptions of each implementation is missing 13:43:32 ... could be done as part of TestFest 13:43:52 MMC: I generated draft implementation report 13:44:01 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1245 13:44:11 ... encountered issue in my script 13:44:15 ... need to fix script 13:44:18 dezell has joined #wot 13:44:28 present+ David_Ezell 13:44:50 zkis__ has joined #wot 13:44:54 MMC: the other thing we need is a testing plan 13:45:00 ... need to discuss in testing call 13:45:15 ... filled in parts in security call 13:45:29 ... miss profile 13:45:38 ... have stuff on discovery 13:46:29 https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/210/files 13:46:44 TOPIC: Liaisons 13:46:52 SUBTOPIC: T2TRG/IETF 13:47:03 MMC: March 10, 12 noon EST mtg planned 13:47:21 https://github.com/t2trg/2022-03-summary 13:47:42 https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-t2trg-01/session/29390.ics 13:47:50 MMC: there is an iCalendar entry on GitHub page 13:48:00 ... will delete my entry in calendar 13:49:16 q+ 13:49:24 SUBTOPIC: ECHONET 13:49:43 Kaz: PR for profile 13:49:57 ML: ECHONET example for thing model created from Ege 13:50:04 ... need feedback from ECHONET 13:50:07 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/85 PR 85 - Create echonetExampleTD.td.jsonld 13:50:22 TOPIC: TF Reports 13:50:27 present+ David_Ezell 13:50:28 SUBTOPIC: Scripting 13:50:41 q? 13:50:43 ack k 13:50:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:50:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:51:39 DP: looking into querying and cancelling actions 13:52:10 MMC: There are also eventing models coming from Profile 13:52:22 ... get together 13:52:32 ML: We have it on Agenda of architecture call 13:53:20 ... DP can you join 13:53:35 DP: will try to join 13:53:40 SUBTOPIC: Security 13:53:52 MMC: worked on questionnaire and testing plan 13:54:09 ... including security testing of discovery 13:54:22 ... there are tools for OpenAPI 13:54:33 ... tool to convert TDs to OpenAPI 13:54:41 Ege: playground can do that 13:55:03 ... not perfect but a start 13:55:05 SUBTOPIC: Discovery 13:55:23 MMC: PR still outstanding 13:55:27 SUBTOPIC: Marketing 13:55:33 q+ 13:55:46 Ege: we have started to write developer journey 13:55:49 ... for new developers 13:56:09 ... would like to get input/feedback 13:56:25 https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/263 13:56:40 Ege: Also we want to have FAQ document 13:56:46 https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/232 13:56:51 ... useful for exaplainer 13:57:10 ... each task force providing frequent questions 13:57:41 MMC: Talked also about "Activities" navigation 13:57:51 ... events, meetings and task-forces 13:58:13 https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/216 13:58:14 Ege: DP provided PR 13:58:26 q 13:58:26 https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/273 13:58:28 q? 13:58:46 zkis__ has joined #wot 13:59:02 Kaz: Ege, thanks for updating teleconf table 13:59:10 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#WebConf_Information 13:59:24 ... fixed Arch entry and wiki pages 13:59:25 s/https/-> https/ 14:00:02 s/Information/Information fixed cross-reference links to the TF wiki pages/ 14:00:17 MMC: had timezone issue with calendar 14:00:29 SUBTOPIC: Use Cases 14:00:30 s/entry/entry within the table on the Activity page/ 14:00:41 ML: Discussed use cases from Cristiano and Carlo 14:00:45 ... interesting proposal 14:00:57 ... merged the contribution 14:01:01 SUBTOPIC: TD 14:01:05 s/232/232 wot-marketing issue 232 - FAQ for WoT documents/ 14:01:14 Ege: last week we talked mainly about binding 14:01:37 ... guest from ASHRE ...happy to contribute 14:01:38 s/263/263 wot-marketing PR - WIP Developer Journey/ 14:01:40 ack k 14:01:48 ... merged PRs and discussed issues 14:02:04 SUBTOPIC: Architecture and Profiles 14:02:09 ML: no arch call last week 14:02:15 s/216/216 wot-marketing issue 216 - Activities tab is misleading/ 14:02:21 ... merged PRs in profile call 14:02:29 ... still working on some parts 14:02:47 s/273/273 wot-marketing PR 273 - refactor: simplify activities tab/ 14:03:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:03:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:03:04 [adjourned 14:03:15 s/adjourned/adjourned]/ 14:03:20 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:03:20 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:08:00 Fady has joined #wot 14:12:34 ktoumura has left #wot 14:28:24 dezell has joined #wot 14:28:32 present+ David_Ezell 14:57:18 Mizushima has left #wot 15:02:31 bkardell_ has joined #wot 16:02:11 zkis__ has joined #wot 16:29:59 Zakim has left #wot 17:00:06 dsr_ has joined #wot 17:12:19 dsr_ has joined #wot 17:31:14 dsr_ has joined #wot 17:44:08 dsr_ has joined #wot 18:01:04 dsr_ has joined #wot 18:14:05 dsr_ has joined #wot 19:10:56 dsr_ has joined #wot 19:34:58 dsr_ has joined #wot 19:47:51 dsr_ has joined #wot 21:48:27 dsr_ has joined #wot 22:01:20 dsr_ has joined #wot