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13:39:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:39:04 <trackbot> Date: 02 March 2022
13:39:11 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:39:15 <jasonjgw> present+
13:39:36 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
13:39:36 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
13:39:36 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
13:39:54 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
13:40:10 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
13:40:10 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
13:40:11 <Zakim> 1. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
13:40:11 <Zakim> 2. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
13:40:11 <Zakim> 3. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]
13:40:11 <Zakim> 4. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
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14:00:47 <SteveNoble> present+
14:01:14 <Joshue108> present+
14:01:29 <Joshue108> scribe: Joshue108
14:02:15 <Joshue108> JW: Notes the Maturity model document CFC
14:02:35 <Joshue108> JS: Open till midnight Boston
14:03:04 <Joshue108> Also next week there is a meeting on the W3C legal entity status - during APA call time.
14:03:25 <Joshue108> JS: Please send any questions your have in advance
14:03:37 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 3
14:03:37 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:04:04 <Joshue108> JW: I have had a look at the Cloudfare demo site
14:04:16 <Joshue108> It worked on Windows 11, running Chrome using the print reader
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14:04:32 <Joshue108> And failed on a Mac Book Pro, M1 using Safari
14:05:03 <Joshue108> We have contributed
14:05:16 <Joshue108> Jason notes the range of devices that may be used
14:05:19 <scott_h_> present+
14:05:23 <Joshue108> no special hardware required
14:05:41 <Joshue108> relevant protocols are implemented
14:05:51 <Joshue108> This has impact on our conculsions.
14:05:56 <Joshue108> Janina has progress report
14:06:07 <Joshue108> JS: Lionel has experience, and has tested
14:06:28 <Joshue108> We've reached out to Cloudflare - should we set that up via RQTF etc or independently.
14:06:46 <Joshue108> LW: Thanks for taking this up - good summary from Jason.
14:06:55 <Joshue108> We would like all to test this.
14:07:13 <Joshue108> I would just add the work that is yet to do, it is mature but we need to talk to Cloudflare.
14:07:26 <Joshue108> Discusses logistics..
14:07:48 <Joshue108> V exciting - we have talked about zero knowledge proofs etc
14:07:58 <Joshue108> We've found implementations that work
14:08:17 <Joshue108> We want to do a security deep dive - with flow charts outlining transfer et
14:08:28 <Joshue108> so we can understand how privacy is preserved.
14:08:46 <Joshue108> JW: Who would like to be involved?
14:09:02 <Joshue108> JS: They are not members, but we can invite them to a meeting.
14:09:09 <Joshue108> They may be recruited.
14:09:17 <Joshue108> JS: The may be looking at IETF?
14:09:27 <Joshue108> JS: Thats a part but they are implementing a W3C spec.
14:09:40 <Joshue108> Lionel mentioned authentication
14:10:11 <Joshue108> LW: Microsoft and other major companies are involved
14:10:27 <Joshue108> JS: Who would like to be involved?
14:11:06 <Joshue108> <discussion on that>
14:11:30 <Joshue108> JS: Sounds like a decision
14:12:26 <Joshue108> JW: It would be good to have validation
14:13:21 <Joshue108> LW: We can do more testing on diff devices..
14:13:56 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 1
14:13:57 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:14:12 <Joshue108> JW: There is some progress to report
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14:14:26 <Joshue108> JW: I've review the doc, and the note on ASL accuracy
14:14:58 <Joshue108> In the GH tracking , it looks like we had addressed it, but there was a reference to the FCC decision.
14:15:13 <Joshue108> I put proposal in GH to move that ref to a note in the text
14:15:27 <Joshue108> Steve has agreed - change has been reviewed - Josh has merged
14:15:45 <Joshue108> Raja: I agree also
14:15:50 <Joshue108> JW: Appreciated
14:16:05 <Joshue108> There have been no other changes - but a suggested summary
14:16:20 <Joshue108> Moving along well - Janina has some editorial item
14:16:27 <Joshue108> s/item/items
14:16:36 <Joshue108> We are on track for end of March publication
14:16:54 <Joshue108> JS: I had an action to reach out to timed text - i've done that
14:17:23 <Joshue108> I did outline some edits - and will reach out to  Steve when I've got something
14:18:14 <Joshue108> JW: Good progress
14:18:56 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:18:56 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:19:57 <Joshue108> TOPIC: A11y of Remote meetings
14:20:10 <Joshue108> JS: This needs to go note track, and be published
14:20:18 <Joshue108> JW: It is published no?
14:20:21 <Joshue108> JS: No
14:21:21 <jasonjgw> https://www.w3.org/TR/remote-meetings/
14:21:25 <Joshue108> JW: It is published
14:21:43 <Joshue108> JS: Happy to be proven wrong
14:21:59 <Joshue108> SH: I've got some updates etc to make
14:22:20 <Joshue108> JW: I'll put it on an upcoming agendum
14:22:48 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Natural Language Interface A11y User requirements
14:23:40 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur_coga_edits_2022/naur/index.html
14:23:40 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: look at some COGA edits
14:24:16 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Some look appropriate
14:25:18 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Let's have a quick overview first
14:25:56 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Some deal with memory constraints
14:27:12 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Definition edits
14:27:47 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Primarily editorial
14:29:04 <SteveNoble> janina: May need to differentiate that "phrases" is a better term (not all spoken utterances are sentances)
14:29:41 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Chatbots, speech vs. text?
14:30:09 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Need to read these in context
14:30:56 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: 16a, 16b, 16c (split 16 into subsections)
14:31:20 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Sounds good
14:31:57 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Relates to inclusion of Content Usable references
14:32:14 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Request to link to some of tehse
14:32:43 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: First relates to memory
14:33:07 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: This reference seems good
14:33:37 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: "Give the option first, then the option number" - one example
14:34:15 <Joshue108> Memory item in content usable https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-6-ensure-processes-do-not-rely-on-memory
14:34:42 <Joshue108> Provide help and support: https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-7-provide-help-and-support
14:35:42 <SteveNoble> Janina: some screen readers may allow user to get an option first as opposed to the number
14:37:02 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We can add the observation that something is useful for a user with a cognitive issue
14:38:46 <Joshue108> s/tehse/these
14:38:58 <Joshue108> JW: Any other thoughts?
14:39:32 <Joshue108> <crickets and then discussion on how to game tech support>
14:40:50 <Joshue108> JS: Do we have any idea of timing for publication on working draft?
14:42:45 <Joshue108> JW: We are going for note - we want to do more reviews.
14:42:59 <Joshue108> We need the CG on speech interfaces to look at this.
14:43:09 <Joshue108> They were active at TPAC last year.
14:43:18 <Joshue108> Then another review draft - and other wider review.
14:43:32 <Joshue108> I've colleagues in ETS who would like to review it.
14:43:44 <Joshue108> JOC: I think that is sensible.
14:43:57 <Joshue108> JS: I think we are not publishing often enough.
14:44:22 <Joshue108> We try to deal with many issues on our plate, and that we can say while we have more to go, we can say this is what we got.
14:44:48 <Joshue108> JS: All of APA needs to publish more frequently.
14:45:20 <Joshue108> +1 to Janina
14:45:37 <Joshue108> s/+1 to Janina/JOC: +1 to Janina
14:45:50 <Joshue108> JS: We don't have to wait many months between updates.
14:46:22 <Joshue108> JS: Why don't we deal with the issues raised by COGA - then publish and keep working with the issues.
14:46:26 <Joshue108> JS: +1
14:46:32 <Joshue108> JW: Anyone object?
14:46:35 <Joshue108> <crickets>
14:46:50 <Joshue108> JW: Lets do it.
14:47:26 <Joshue108> We can also publish intermediate working drafts without CFC - and also when we need wide review
14:48:06 <Joshue108> JW: Lets get the COGA issues addressed, the we are on our way - and we can't reach out to potential reviewers.
14:48:09 <jasonjgw> zakim, take up item 4
14:48:10 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:48:33 <Joshue108> JW: We have covered most items
14:48:42 <Joshue108> And the upcoming W3C organisation call
14:48:44 <Joshue108> AOB?
14:48:56 <Joshue108> <crickets>
14:49:22 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:49:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108