IRC log of rqtf on 2022-03-02

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 02 March 2022
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chair: jasonjgw
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present+
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agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
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agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
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agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
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agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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zakim, list agenda
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
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2. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
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3. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]
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4. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
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present+
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present+
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scribe: Joshue108
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JW: Notes the Maturity model document CFC
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JS: Open till midnight Boston
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Also next week there is a meeting on the W3C legal entity status - during APA call time.
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JS: Please send any questions your have in advance
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zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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JW: I have had a look at the Cloudfare demo site
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It worked on Windows 11, running Chrome using the print reader
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And failed on a Mac Book Pro, M1 using Safari
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We have contributed
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Jason notes the range of devices that may be used
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present+
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no special hardware required
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relevant protocols are implemented
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This has impact on our conculsions.
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Janina has progress report
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JS: Lionel has experience, and has tested
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We've reached out to Cloudflare - should we set that up via RQTF etc or independently.
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LW: Thanks for taking this up - good summary from Jason.
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We would like all to test this.
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I would just add the work that is yet to do, it is mature but we need to talk to Cloudflare.
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Discusses logistics..
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V exciting - we have talked about zero knowledge proofs etc
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We've found implementations that work
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We want to do a security deep dive - with flow charts outlining transfer et
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so we can understand how privacy is preserved.
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JW: Who would like to be involved?
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JS: They are not members, but we can invite them to a meeting.
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They may be recruited.
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JS: The may be looking at IETF?
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JS: Thats a part but they are implementing a W3C spec.
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Lionel mentioned authentication
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LW: Microsoft and other major companies are involved
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JS: Who would like to be involved?
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<discussion on that>
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JS: Sounds like a decision
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JW: It would be good to have validation
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LW: We can do more testing on diff devices..
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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JW: There is some progress to report
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JW: I've review the doc, and the note on ASL accuracy
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In the GH tracking , it looks like we had addressed it, but there was a reference to the FCC decision.
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I put proposal in GH to move that ref to a note in the text
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Steve has agreed - change has been reviewed - Josh has merged
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Raja: I agree also
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JW: Appreciated
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There have been no other changes - but a suggested summary
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Moving along well - Janina has some editorial item
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s/item/items
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We are on track for end of March publication
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JS: I had an action to reach out to timed text - i've done that
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I did outline some edits - and will reach out to Steve when I've got something
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JW: Good progress
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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TOPIC: A11y of Remote meetings
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JS: This needs to go note track, and be published
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JW: It is published no?
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JS: No
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https://www.w3.org/TR/remote-meetings/
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JW: It is published
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JS: Happy to be proven wrong
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SH: I've got some updates etc to make
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JW: I'll put it on an upcoming agendum
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TOPIC: Natural Language Interface A11y User requirements
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https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur_coga_edits_2022/naur/index.html
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Joshue108: look at some COGA edits
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Joshue108: Some look appropriate
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jasonjgw: Let's have a quick overview first
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Joshue108: Some deal with memory constraints
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Joshue108: Definition edits
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Joshue108: Primarily editorial
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janina: May need to differentiate that "phrases" is a better term (not all spoken utterances are sentances)
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Joshue108: Chatbots, speech vs. text?
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jasonjgw: Need to read these in context
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Joshue108: 16a, 16b, 16c (split 16 into subsections)
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jasonjgw: Sounds good
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Joshue108: Relates to inclusion of Content Usable references
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Joshue108: Request to link to some of tehse
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Joshue108: First relates to memory
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Joshue108: This reference seems good
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Joshue108: "Give the option first, then the option number" - one example
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Memory item in content usable https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-6-ensure-processes-do-not-rely-on-memory
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Provide help and support: https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-7-provide-help-and-support
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Janina: some screen readers may allow user to get an option first as opposed to the number
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jasonjgw: We can add the observation that something is useful for a user with a cognitive issue
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s/tehse/these
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JW: Any other thoughts?
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<crickets and then discussion on how to game tech support>
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JS: Do we have any idea of timing for publication on working draft?
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JW: We are going for note - we want to do more reviews.
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We need the CG on speech interfaces to look at this.
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They were active at TPAC last year.
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Then another review draft - and other wider review.
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I've colleagues in ETS who would like to review it.
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JOC: I think that is sensible.
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JS: I think we are not publishing often enough.
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We try to deal with many issues on our plate, and that we can say while we have more to go, we can say this is what we got.
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JS: All of APA needs to publish more frequently.
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+1 to Janina
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s/+1 to Janina/JOC: +1 to Janina
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JS: We don't have to wait many months between updates.
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JS: Why don't we deal with the issues raised by COGA - then publish and keep working with the issues.
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JS: +1
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JW: Anyone object?
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<crickets>
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JW: Lets do it.
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We can also publish intermediate working drafts without CFC - and also when we need wide review
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JW: Lets get the COGA issues addressed, the we are on our way - and we can't reach out to potential reviewers.
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zakim, take up item 4
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agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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JW: We have covered most items
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And the upcoming W3C organisation call
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AOB?
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<crickets>
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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