IRC log of rqtf on 2022-03-02
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 02 March 2022
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- chair: jasonjgw
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- present+
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- agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
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- agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
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- agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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- zakim, list agenda
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
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- 2. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
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- 3. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]
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- 4. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
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- present+
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- present+
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- scribe: Joshue108
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- JW: Notes the Maturity model document CFC
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- JS: Open till midnight Boston
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- Also next week there is a meeting on the W3C legal entity status - during APA call time.
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- JS: Please send any questions your have in advance
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- zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 14:04:04 [Joshue108]
- JW: I have had a look at the Cloudfare demo site
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- It worked on Windows 11, running Chrome using the print reader
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- And failed on a Mac Book Pro, M1 using Safari
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- We have contributed
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- Jason notes the range of devices that may be used
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- present+
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- no special hardware required
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- relevant protocols are implemented
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- This has impact on our conculsions.
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- Janina has progress report
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- JS: Lionel has experience, and has tested
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- We've reached out to Cloudflare - should we set that up via RQTF etc or independently.
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- LW: Thanks for taking this up - good summary from Jason.
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- We would like all to test this.
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- I would just add the work that is yet to do, it is mature but we need to talk to Cloudflare.
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- Discusses logistics..
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- V exciting - we have talked about zero knowledge proofs etc
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- We've found implementations that work
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- We want to do a security deep dive - with flow charts outlining transfer et
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- so we can understand how privacy is preserved.
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- JW: Who would like to be involved?
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- JS: They are not members, but we can invite them to a meeting.
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- They may be recruited.
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- JS: The may be looking at IETF?
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- JS: Thats a part but they are implementing a W3C spec.
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- Lionel mentioned authentication
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- LW: Microsoft and other major companies are involved
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- JS: Who would like to be involved?
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- <discussion on that>
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- JS: Sounds like a decision
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- JW: It would be good to have validation
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- LW: We can do more testing on diff devices..
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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- JW: There is some progress to report
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- JW: I've review the doc, and the note on ASL accuracy
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- In the GH tracking , it looks like we had addressed it, but there was a reference to the FCC decision.
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- I put proposal in GH to move that ref to a note in the text
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- Steve has agreed - change has been reviewed - Josh has merged
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- Raja: I agree also
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- JW: Appreciated
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- There have been no other changes - but a suggested summary
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- Moving along well - Janina has some editorial item
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- s/item/items
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- We are on track for end of March publication
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- JS: I had an action to reach out to timed text - i've done that
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- I did outline some edits - and will reach out to Steve when I've got something
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- JW: Good progress
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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- TOPIC: A11y of Remote meetings
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- JS: This needs to go note track, and be published
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- JW: It is published no?
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- JS: No
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/remote-meetings/
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- JW: It is published
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- JS: Happy to be proven wrong
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- SH: I've got some updates etc to make
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- JW: I'll put it on an upcoming agendum
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- TOPIC: Natural Language Interface A11y User requirements
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- https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur_coga_edits_2022/naur/index.html
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- Joshue108: look at some COGA edits
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- Joshue108: Some look appropriate
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- jasonjgw: Let's have a quick overview first
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- Joshue108: Some deal with memory constraints
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- Joshue108: Definition edits
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- Joshue108: Primarily editorial
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- janina: May need to differentiate that "phrases" is a better term (not all spoken utterances are sentances)
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- Joshue108: Chatbots, speech vs. text?
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- jasonjgw: Need to read these in context
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- Joshue108: 16a, 16b, 16c (split 16 into subsections)
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- jasonjgw: Sounds good
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- Joshue108: Relates to inclusion of Content Usable references
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- Joshue108: Request to link to some of tehse
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- Joshue108: First relates to memory
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- Joshue108: This reference seems good
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- Joshue108: "Give the option first, then the option number" - one example
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- Memory item in content usable https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-6-ensure-processes-do-not-rely-on-memory
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- Provide help and support: https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-7-provide-help-and-support
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- Janina: some screen readers may allow user to get an option first as opposed to the number
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- jasonjgw: We can add the observation that something is useful for a user with a cognitive issue
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- s/tehse/these
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- JW: Any other thoughts?
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- <crickets and then discussion on how to game tech support>
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- JS: Do we have any idea of timing for publication on working draft?
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- JW: We are going for note - we want to do more reviews.
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- We need the CG on speech interfaces to look at this.
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- They were active at TPAC last year.
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- Then another review draft - and other wider review.
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- I've colleagues in ETS who would like to review it.
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- JOC: I think that is sensible.
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- JS: I think we are not publishing often enough.
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- We try to deal with many issues on our plate, and that we can say while we have more to go, we can say this is what we got.
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- JS: All of APA needs to publish more frequently.
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- +1 to Janina
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- s/+1 to Janina/JOC: +1 to Janina
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- JS: We don't have to wait many months between updates.
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- JS: Why don't we deal with the issues raised by COGA - then publish and keep working with the issues.
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- JS: +1
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- JW: Anyone object?
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- <crickets>
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- JW: Lets do it.
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- We can also publish intermediate working drafts without CFC - and also when we need wide review
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- JW: Lets get the COGA issues addressed, the we are on our way - and we can't reach out to potential reviewers.
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- zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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- JW: We have covered most items
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- And the upcoming W3C organisation call
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- AOB?
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- <crickets>
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/03/02-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108