14:46:48 RRSAgent has joined #silver 14:46:48 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/02/25-silver-irc 14:46:51 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:46:52 Present+ 14:46:52 Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group 14:46:58 agenda+ Natural Language of Text 14:47:01 agenda+ Example Conformance Scenarios 14:47:01 agenda+ Sub-group updates 14:57:10 janina has joined #silver 14:57:31 present+ 14:59:20 Chuck_ has joined #silver 14:59:32 some participants are still in protocols, will be over shortly. 15:02:08 Azlan has joined #silver 15:02:55 Makoto has joined #silver 15:03:38 present+ 15:03:46 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Scribe_List 15:04:07 KimD has joined #silver 15:04:14 Present+ 15:04:23 present+ 15:04:32 scribe: Azlan 15:04:34 present+ Daniel 15:04:54 zakim, take up item 2 15:04:54 agendum 2 -- Example Conformance Scenarios -- taken up [from Lauriat] 15:05:05 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios 15:05:18 sarahhorton has joined #silver 15:05:35 present+ 15:07:25 janina: Would like to share the reorganisation of situations with this group. Have 11 situations with use case examples. Each situation has 3 buckets of how standards can help address the situation, how guidance can help, how regulatory environment might address the situation 15:08:04 …goal is to be neutral and avoid trigger words so there are a couple marked not yet ready for review. 15:08:38 present+ 15:11:09 Shadi: Caveat - this is a work in progress. We each have different understandings of terms. This document brings these in scenarios to communicate better what we are talking about. 15:13:13 …11 situations (not exhaustive) with examples from various sectors to show breadth of applicability. What does technology, supporting guidance and what is the role of policies for each. 15:13:28 q? 15:14:25 Direct link to situation 1 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios#Situation_1:_When_making_large_volumes_of_content_fully_accessible_is_not_achievable_immediately 15:16:35 SuzanneTaylor has joined #silver 15:17:17 JenniferS has joined #silver 15:17:23 present+ 15:17:46 present+ 15:20:57 present+ 15:22:18 (Shadi provides overview of the content of the document) 15:22:39 Direct link to Situation 2 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios#Situation_2:_When_content_is_rarely_used.2C_if_ever_.28work_in_progress.29 15:22:59 Situation 2 is about archived content and prioritising 15:23:50 Direct link to Situation 3 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios#Situation_3:_When_large_volumes_of_content_is_accumulating_too_rapidly_to_make_fully_accessible 15:25:11 Direct link to Situation 4 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios#Situation_4:_Content_provider_does_not_own_or_directly_control_the_content 15:26:36 Direct link to Situation 5 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios#Situation_5:_When_content_providers_have_dependencies_on_other_services 15:28:02 Direct link to Situation 6 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios#Situation_6:_Bugs_and_other_issues_of_oversight_occur_in_content 15:29:11 Direct link to Situation 7 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios#Situation_7:_Content_is_experimental_for_all_users.2C_including_people_with_disabilities 15:30:44 PeterKorn has joined #silver 15:31:19 Direct link to Situation 8 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios#Situation_8:_Current_limitations_in_providing_full_accessibility_in_real-time 15:31:24 present+ 15:32:36 Direct link to Situation 9 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios#Situation_9:_Current_limitations_in_making_some_content_fully_accessible 15:33:47 present+ 15:34:34 Direct link to Situation 10 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios#Situation_10:_Not_all_accessibility_requirements_are_always_applicable 15:36:34 Direct link to Situation 11 -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance/Example_Scenarios#Situation_11:_Small_businesses_face_unique_challenges 15:37:50 q+ to note the gradient of technical to policy areas that these situations represent, partially/largely to check my understanding 15:38:07 ack Lauriat 15:38:07 Lauriat, you wanted to note the gradient of technical to policy areas that these situations represent, partially/largely to check my understanding 15:39:52 q+ 15:39:58 q+ 15:40:17 q+ 15:40:23 Last few situations seem heavily in the scope of policy. Technical guidance would remain the same. Policy would determine the bar to be met. Is that correct? 15:41:20 Shadi: Yes. In most situations would need to be a combination what belongs in the standard and what belongs in the policy guidance. 15:41:22 q+ to ask about policy guidance vs./and supporting policy 15:41:49 https://www.forbes.com/sites/rhettbuttle/2021/10/13/vaccine-requirements-5-things-small-business-owners-should-consider/ 15:41:50 ack janina 15:43:26 janina: Re situation 11 - 78% of businesses in the US have fewer than 10 employees so we need to provide appropriate guidance to where the responsibility should be. 15:44:01 … might need time to remediate or what if the service provider doesn't provide the mechanism in the tooling 15:44:06 ack Makoto 15:45:04 Makoto: Is it possible to use specific names of products and services where possible rather than product/service provider to help picture the situation when discussing the document? 15:46:04 qv? 15:46:07 Shadi: Yes if framed carefully - will take back to the subgroup 15:46:16 ack PeterKorn 15:47:48 PeterKorn: Re Makoto's suggestion suggest avoiding specific names but provide the service type so we are not calling out a specific business. 15:48:31 …Really like notion of "gradient" 15:48:43 ack Lauriat 15:48:43 Lauriat, you wanted to ask about policy guidance vs./and supporting policy 15:49:58 +1 to Shawn 15:50:14 Lauriat: having our work provide guidance to policy makers - think its less of us providing guidance to the policy makers but how we support them to make the decisions of when something might be required. Wanted to check that understanding. 15:50:26 janina: Strongly agrees. 15:50:35 q+ 15:51:08 ack sarahhorton 15:51:44 q+ to build on Sarah's point with an example 15:51:53 sarahhorton: Also agree. Would be interesting to have a section on how technical standards can support policy. 15:52:15 q? 15:52:20 q+ 15:53:08 …if talking about type and volume of content if policy defines limits can tenical provide data about type and volume. 15:53:11 ack Lauriat 15:53:11 Lauriat, you wanted to build on Sarah's point with an example 15:54:17 Lauriat: Example scale of quality for captions and how to assess quality and the minimum bar and have this support the policy makers 15:54:21 ack janina 15:55:32 +1 15:55:41 q+ to ask about next steps 15:55:41 q+ 15:55:58 janina: would need to be some time consideration in an example with captioning of live events 15:56:07 ack sarahhorton 15:56:33 sarahhorton: Is the thinking WCAG would define the acceptable time limits? 15:56:49 janina: No that would fall into policy 15:57:08 present+ 15:57:27 …can't call it "live" forever. At some point it becomes "pre-recorded" 15:58:21 sarahhorton: to take this work forward it might be helpful to be more clear where we are talking about supporting policies without defining "Acceptable time" 15:59:17 Lauriat: +1 to sarahhorton - not just the timeframe for when its ok 15:59:33 …What are the next step? 16:00:26 Shadi: Will take back suggestions to the sub group. Would appreciate further comments on the document for the document to be improved 16:01:06 janina: Agrees then we at some point need to take this to the Tuesday call 16:01:23 KimD has left #silver 16:01:38 zakim, bye 16:01:38 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina, KimD, sarahhorton, shadi, kirkwood, Lauriat, MichaelC, Azlan, Daniel, Chuck_, JenniferS, Makoto, SuzanneTaylor, 16:01:38 Zakim has left #silver 16:01:41 ... 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