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14:44:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:44:40 <trackbot> Date: 24 February 2022
14:44:40 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/5e4758ba-3e80-4e71-b333-5f2c4fd95abd/20220224T150000
14:44:40 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:44:40 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:44:40 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:44:43 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:44:45 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
14:44:47 <agendabot> agenda+ String-Meta Explainer
14:44:50 <agendabot> agenda+ WOT Thing Description Review
14:44:52 <agendabot> agenda+ Other Pending Issues review
14:44:54 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:45:07 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:45:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/24-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:46:22 <addison> agenda+ Time Change?
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14:55:06 <addison> present+ Addison
14:56:19 <addison> preset+ Fuqiao
14:58:39 <addison> present+ Atsushi
14:59:24 <addison> scribe+ atsushi
15:00:55 <addison> present+ Richard
15:01:34 <addison> present+ Bert
15:01:47 <addison> present+ Eemeli
15:02:19 <atsushi> scribe: atsushi
15:02:25 <atsushi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:02:25 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:02:30 <addison> agenda?
15:02:59 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:02:59 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:03:10 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:03:36 <atsushi> addison: 925?
15:04:32 <addison> action: richard: find outstanding PRs for string-meta and merge as appropriate
15:04:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1122 - Find outstanding prs for string-meta and merge as appropriate [on Richard Ishida - due 2022-03-03].
15:04:33 <atsushi> richard: please assign an action for checking which PR for string-meta
15:04:51 <atsushi> addison: spec-dev?
15:05:26 <atsushi> addison: 1017, will work on next week
15:05:34 <atsushi> ... 1094, in agenda
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15:05:44 <atsushi> ... 1103, about explainer, in agenda
15:06:11 <atsushi> ... 1109, not seen any action from anyone, need to do
15:06:21 <atsushi> ... 1115, need to investigage
15:06:33 <atsushi> ... 1118, canvas-format-text, xfq?
15:06:43 <atsushi> xfq: not yet get details
15:07:01 <atsushi> addison: will back to provide details, as in action text
15:07:43 <atsushi> ... 1120, not in agenda, will be next week
15:07:50 <atsushi> ... 1121, urlpattern, will do
15:07:59 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:07:59 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:08:21 <atsushi> addison: timezone (DST) will come soon
15:08:24 <atsushi> ... as in agenda
15:08:32 <atsushi> ... reapprove current model?
15:09:10 <r12a> q+
15:09:16 <addison> ack r12a
15:09:37 <atsushi> richard: watching progress on noto nastaliq and casimil
15:09:51 <addison> s/casimil/Kashmiri/
15:09:53 <atsushi> ... currently, new version of font is released
15:09:59 <atsushi> ... lang tag ks
15:10:16 <atsushi> ... released with one bug, one character is assigned as non-connected form
15:10:47 <atsushi> ... one example for importance of lang tag
15:12:04 <atsushi> addison: importance of lang tag is usually mentioned with CJK difference, but this could be an additional one
15:12:29 <atsushi> bert: in font file
15:13:26 <atsushi> [richard shares an example with screen sharing]
15:16:03 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:16:03 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:16:11 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
15:16:13 <atsushi> addison: no new incoming request
15:16:30 <atsushi> addison: secure payment confirmation, discussed to submit last week
15:16:43 <atsushi> ... bert, any on NAUR?
15:17:13 <atsushi> bert: might mention one on accent, but seems not so important
15:18:07 <atsushi> addison: wot things description, pending reviews last week, not moved these into repository yet
15:18:19 <atsushi> addison: CSS variables, not yet opened review issues
15:18:43 <atsushi> addison: for awaiting comment resolution, if you have any update, please review these
15:19:10 <atsushi> ... please agenda+ if any update
15:19:14 <addison> agenda?
15:19:21 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:19:21 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Time Change? -- taken up [from addison]
15:19:31 <atsushi> addison: time change on DST
15:19:51 <atsushi> ... generally keeping this meeting at the same time as London time zone
15:20:11 <atsushi> ... for US, time will change for couple of weeks
15:22:15 <atsushi> eemeli: in finland, the same as London
15:22:40 <addison> agenda?
15:22:40 <atsushi> ... one meeting immediately after this also follows Europian, so no issue
15:23:35 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:23:35 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- String-Meta Explainer -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:23:49 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md
15:25:04 <atsushi> bert: title and incompleted sections, @@@
15:25:16 <atsushi> richard: started putting insertion markups
15:25:30 <atsushi> ... suggest to further rearrangement of contents
15:26:19 <atsushi> ... what solutions is a good followup, but all of the rest from background, to fill up document
15:26:42 <atsushi> ... ECMA one
15:26:58 <atsushi> ... xxx would be one example to soleve, etc.
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15:28:12 <atsushi> richard: couple of other things, not clear why it's relevant here, metadata and base direction
15:28:25 <atsushi> ... isolation is not from base direction
15:28:48 <atsushi> addison: if I have document, and data value, if I want to bidi isolation, need base direction
15:29:20 <atsushi> richard: not asking for isolation
15:30:02 <atsushi> addison: not generally in text
15:31:13 <atsushi> [lost]
15:32:50 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/arabic/#direction
15:33:00 <atsushi> [discussion on isolation and directon metadata]
15:33:17 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/arabic/kashmiri#direction
15:38:05 <atsushi> richard: good to have some examples, not linking
15:38:16 <atsushi> addison: not to include in explainers
15:38:31 <atsushi> ... collapsing a bit
15:38:58 <atsushi> richard: to raise message, there needs at least one example
15:39:09 <atsushi> ... fine even if no
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15:41:42 <atsushi> [related on a11y feature]
15:42:57 <atsushi> [hyphenation and spacing]
15:44:05 <atsushi> addison: should I tidy up and tag?
15:44:15 <atsushi> bert: as appendix?
15:44:45 <atsushi> xfq: looks like an empty sections
15:45:47 <addison> agenda?
15:45:51 <Bert> s/as appendix/the text mentions an "appendix" but there is none.
15:46:04 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:46:04 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- WOT Thing Description Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:46:27 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending+label%3As%3Awot-thing-description
15:46:36 <atsushi> addison: last time considering on these issues
15:47:26 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1465
15:47:44 <atsushi> addison: looking at 1465, and skipped from here
15:48:16 <addison> action: richard: look at pending issue 1465
15:48:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1123 - Look at pending issue 1465 [on Richard Ishida - due 2022-03-03].
15:48:19 <atsushi> richard: supposed to do, any action was assigned for this?
15:49:33 <atsushi> addison: two comment here, provide metadata and recommending lang tag but not direction
15:50:38 <atsushi> richard: we don't recommend lang tag, but recommend metadata
15:50:57 <atsushi> ... this huristic means from language
15:51:21 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1466
15:51:51 <atsushi> addison: 1466, no definition on well-formed lang tag
15:52:34 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1467
15:52:37 <atsushi> richard: in glossary, linked terms related to these
15:52:45 <atsushi> addison: 1467 is on no metadata
15:54:36 <atsushi> xfq: why they didn't use?
15:54:39 <atsushi> addison: no idea
15:54:56 <atsushi> ... we did discussion in TPAC some years ago
15:55:21 <atsushi> addison: any objection on saying that
15:55:27 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1468
15:56:11 <atsushi> addison: 1468
15:58:04 <atsushi> richard: last paragraph says, fr
15:58:16 <atsushi> addison: that's another item on localizable data
15:58:45 <atsushi> ... some has large set, some might small
16:01:50 <atsushi> addison: to supply a series of comment on this area?
16:01:59 <atsushi> ... expand comments
16:02:11 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1469
16:02:44 <atsushi> addison: 1469, provide link of documentation but without language
16:02:54 <atsushi> xfq: like href lang?
16:03:00 <atsushi> addison: something
16:03:28 <atsushi> ... this is a physical link to doc, with a multiple languages
16:03:59 <atsushi> Jck: ...
16:04:21 <atsushi> addison: hardcoaded link of user documents
16:05:33 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1470
16:05:55 <atsushi> addison: 1470, editorial one
16:06:03 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1471
16:06:12 <atsushi> addison: 1471, did talk last time
16:06:25 <atsushi> ... json pointer in uri
16:08:07 <atsushi> richard: last time, discussed on uri for no mention on unicode range
16:10:26 <atsushi> addison: did see Nigel's comment to address things?
16:11:09 <atsushi> richard: for normatively reference, redefine could be one option
16:11:38 <atsushi> addison: add these to glossary?
16:12:14 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/imsc-hrm/pull/42#discussion_r811349145
16:13:09 <atsushi> [discussion on normative and non-rec-track]
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