IRC log of rqtf on 2022-02-23

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 23 February 2022

13:42:24 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ TPAC 2022 - participant availability.

13:42:24 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.

13:42:24 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.

13:42:24 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.

13:42:24 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.

13:42:44 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.chair: jasonjgw

13:42:59 [jasonjgw]

prezakim, remove agendum 6

13:43:08 [jasonjgw]

zakim, remove agendum 6

13:43:08 [Zakim]

agendum 6, Miscellaneous topics.chair: jasonjgw, dropped

13:43:23 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.

13:43:39 [jasonjgw]

zakim, clear agenda

13:43:39 [Zakim]

agenda cleared

13:44:06 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ TPAC 2022 - participant availability.

13:44:06 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.

13:44:06 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.

13:44:06 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.

13:44:06 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.

13:44:12 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.

13:44:22 [jasonjgw]

zakim, list agenda

13:44:22 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:

13:44:23 [Zakim]

1. TPAC 2022 - participant availability. [from jasonjgw]

13:44:23 [Zakim]

2. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]

13:44:23 [Zakim]

3. Accessibility of Remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]

13:44:23 [Zakim]

4. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]

13:44:23 [Zakim]

5. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]

13:44:24 [Zakim]

6. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]

13:45:10 [jasonjgw]

chair: jasonjgw

13:45:14 [jasonjgw]

present+

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agenda?

13:52:28 [janina]

present+

13:53:52 [janina]

zakim, who's here?

13:53:52 [Zakim]

Present: jasonjgw, janina

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On IRC I see janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, Joshue108, MichaelC, jasonjgw, trackbot

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present+

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14:02:40 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

14:02:40 [Zakim]

agendum 1 -- TPAC 2022 - participant availability. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:02:45 [SteveNoble]

scribe: SteveNoble

14:04:16 [SteveNoble]

Who is going to TPAC?

14:04:17 [Lionel_Wolberger]

present+

14:04:38 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lionel will check back for the Captcha agenda items later this call.

14:05:13 [SteveNoble]

janina: TPAC is week of Sept 12 in Vancouver BC

14:06:43 [SteveNoble]

Scott: will need to see how travel options open closer to event

14:07:03 [SteveNoble]

raja: When is it?

14:07:27 [SteveNoble]

janina: Monday Sept 12, and runs through the week

14:08:21 [SteveNoble]

raja: can an email be sent with this info?

14:08:33 [SteveNoble]

janina: Yes, will send.

14:09:02 [jasonjgw]

zakim, take up item 6

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agendum 6 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:09:37 [SteveNoble]

janina: Announcement - W3C planning for a reorg

14:10:45 [SteveNoble]

janina: Looking at a sustainable organization to provide for continuing development of the web

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janina: March 9 (APA hour) meeting will discuss this work

14:12:38 [SteveNoble]

janina: CFC out on W3C Maturity Model

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janina: CFC will end March 2

14:13:22 [SteveNoble]

janina: Any quesions?

14:13:43 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

14:13:43 [Zakim]

agendum 1 -- TPAC 2022 - participant availability. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:14:05 [jasonjgw]

zakim, close item 1

14:14:05 [Zakim]

agendum 1, TPAC 2022 - participant availability., closed

14:14:06 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:14:06 [Zakim]

2. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]

14:14:59 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Added an issue in GitHub to discuss recommendations

14:16:09 [SteveNoble]

janina: Not ready to close document

14:16:56 [SteveNoble]

janina: We still need approach Timed text for joint publication

14:17:30 [SteveNoble]

janina: May need to add some pointers that are more on the mainstream side

14:18:06 [SteveNoble]

For instance, the connection to translation subtitles is related but not exactly an accessibility issue

14:20:06 [SteveNoble]

janina: XR environments may have considerations where mainstream access has common ground with accessibility issues

14:20:37 [SteveNoble]

raja: In support of asking Timed text

14:21:42 [Joshue108]

JS: How much has the document changed?

14:21:44 [SteveNoble]

janina: May need a second wide review draft

14:22:02 [Joshue108]

JS: Steve, how substantial are the changes?

14:22:18 [Joshue108]

SN: We did address the 7-8 issues that were raised in Github

14:22:36 [Joshue108]

Some addition research was referenced etc

14:22:48 [Joshue108]

I'd say 10-15% has seen some change

14:22:53 [Joshue108]

OTTOMH

14:23:02 [Joshue108]

JS: Lets ask Timed text

14:23:22 [Joshue108]

They may want to introduce things, and that would hit both ours and their wide review audience

14:23:38 [Joshue108]

JS: We can defer our decision

14:23:50 [Joshue108]

JS: <Likes the intro - this is a kerbcut>

14:24:19 [Joshue108]

JS: I'd like to see this kerbcut in the abstract to include this..

14:27:51 [Joshue108]

JW: Lets get those into issues

14:28:00 [Joshue108]

SN: Makes sense to me

14:28:19 [Joshue108]

q?

14:29:40 [Joshue108]

SN: We do provide recommendations - but if useful to pull them into a summary - to underscore.

14:29:45 [Joshue108]

JS: Could be useful.

14:31:26 [Joshue108]

JOC: What about timeframe?

14:31:33 [Joshue108]

JS: Could be end of March.

14:31:41 [Joshue108]

JS: We do have CSUN in the middle.

14:33:18 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:34:08 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

14:34:08 [Zakim]

agendum 2 was just opened, jasonjgw

14:34:27 [jasonjgw]

zkim, close item 2

14:34:36 [Joshue108]

zakim, close item 2

14:34:36 [Zakim]

agendum 2, Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements., closed

14:34:37 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:34:37 [Zakim]

3. Accessibility of Remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]

14:34:38 [jasonjgw]

zakim, close item 2

14:34:39 [Zakim]

agendum 2, Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements., closed

14:34:39 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:34:39 [Zakim]

3. Accessibility of Remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]

14:34:50 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- Accessibility of Remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:35:37 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Look at a few open issues

14:36:21 [SteveNoble]

scott: Worked through the COGA input

14:36:52 [SteveNoble]

scott: Issue around captioning

14:37:34 [SteveNoble]

scott: Sometimes captioning is an additional media

14:38:13 [SteveNoble]

scott: Suggest expanding the use case of captioning

14:39:26 [SteveNoble]

janina: Both seeing caption text and hearing the words is commonly known to enhance comprehension in the mainstream population

14:40:40 [SteveNoble]

raja: Have some citations for general population use of captions

14:41:13 [SteveNoble]

raja: 40% of Netflix users use captions

14:41:39 [SteveNoble]

raja: 20% for standard TV usage

14:42:07 [SteveNoble]

raja: will email these references

14:43:18 [SteveNoble]

scott: Point about screen readers - comment was to expand to more mainstream use of text-to-speech

14:44:39 [SteveNoble]

janina: Not sure it this expands to remote meetings

14:44:58 [Joshue108]

+1 to Janina

14:45:12 [SteveNoble]

Joshue108: Agree that this seems a problem

14:45:38 [Joshue108]

q?

14:46:16 [SteveNoble]

janina: Listening to TTS while people in a meeting are speaking is clearly difficult

14:48:47 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Example of TTS reading a slide while someone is speaking

14:50:21 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Reading a set of slides before a meeting and using TTS in that settings is a very different scenario

14:53:00 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

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14:54:06 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Some activities have occurred in GitHub issues

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14:54:42 [scott_h]

present+

14:55:50 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Will need to push these items to next week

14:56:06 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

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agendum 5 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:57:08 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Open issues have been documented, and research around trust tokens continue...

14:57:25 [SteveNoble]

jasonjgw: Further thoughts on CAPTCHA?

14:58:12 [jasonjgw]

zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, SteveNoble, Lionel_Wolberger, scott_h

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/23-rqtf-minutes.html jasonjgw

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