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16:00:01 <PaulG> zakim, agenda?
16:00:01 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:00:02 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements [from Irfan]
16:00:02 <Zakim> 2. Action Items [from Irfan]
16:00:02 <Zakim> 3. Github Issues and examples [from Irfan]
16:00:02 <Zakim> 4. Other Business [from Irfan]
16:00:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
16:00:03 <trackbot> Date: 23 February 2022
16:00:24 <PaulG> chair: PaulG
16:00:32 <PaulG> regrets: irfan
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17:07:16 <PaulG> light attendance today, will keep light minutes to match
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17:09:49 <PaulG> TPAC hybrid event: W3C needs a feeling of how many people hope to be in person or know they can't be there. Survey due by March 28.
17:10:16 <PaulG> we report our availability to attend in person and Janina and Mathew will report back for APA.
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17:12:38 <PaulG> And the usual: which groups do we need to talk to and why.
17:12:58 <PaulG> zakim, take up next item
17:12:58 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements -- taken up [from Irfan]
17:13:02 <PaulG> zakim, close this item
17:13:02 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
17:13:03 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:13:03 <Zakim> 2. Action Items [from Irfan]
17:13:04 <PaulG> zakim, take up item 2
17:13:04 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from Irfan]
17:16:43 <PaulG> https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/gap-analysis_and_use-case/#gap-analysis
17:20:14 <PaulG> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GzVgbwcldWAP3l6yc3KLSRy4rr_qRusEE566viui0_o/edit#
17:24:02 <PaulG> if we can get some of our use cases (like education/testing) to appeal to smart speakers and implementor technology that's not covered by the ARIA approach, we need to highlight that.
17:24:36 <PaulG> I think it's possible to extend the key/value pairs beyond locale and into things like voice
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17:25:32 <PaulG> janina: HTML lang may not be sufficient for variations in dialect/vernacular/historical pronunciation
17:27:13 <janina> http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com/2010/12/classical-vs-ecclesiastical-latin-part.html
17:29:06 <PaulG> I think the only way to address this in SSML is with specification of a voice (assuming the voice pack reaches all areas of the dialect requested).
17:29:27 <janina> Koine Greek is need for New Testament as well as Septuagent (Jewish) studies
17:30:16 <PaulG> Alan: is there a fallback in the ARIA approach
17:31:37 <janina> That's different But Koine is inappropriate for Plato and Euripides
17:35:45 <PaulG> Mark: it helps cases of sub but not say-as or pausing which are primary concern of this group.
17:36:26 <PaulG> Mark: math and chemistry requires pausing between terms
17:36:51 <PaulG> Mark: currently, it's hacked with commas to create the pausing which affects the Braille output.
17:39:31 <PaulG> Mark: say-as numeric could be keyed into the ARIA approach with IPA
17:41:51 <PaulG> aria-pronounce="as-characters" could wrap several tokens and each has a key for the locale
17:44:27 <PaulG> I think we could do this for our 5 primary features
17:45:53 <PaulG> janina: we may want to approach them before we do all the mapping if it's just a mapping exercise
17:49:08 <PaulG> Mark will complete the task at hand as well as try to draw attention to the 5 primary features we're requesting during an initial implementation
17:49:39 <PaulG> I will write up a treatment of the expanded ARIA approach and Janina will carry it forward for further discussion with ARIA WG at a later date.
17:50:02 <PaulG> zakim, next item
17:50:02 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Github Issues and examples -- taken up [from Irfan]
17:50:28 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/107 new issue
17:51:51 <PaulG> zakim, next item
17:51:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Other Business -- taken up [from Irfan]
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17:53:33 <mhakkinen> Extended IPA Pausing:  (.)	Short pause	(..)	Medium pause	(...)	Long pause	(1.2)	1.2-second pause
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