IRC log of pronunciation on 2022-02-23
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/02/23-pronunciation-irc
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- zakim, agenda?
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements [from Irfan]
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- 2. Action Items [from Irfan]
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- 3. Github Issues and examples [from Irfan]
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- 4. Other Business [from Irfan]
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- Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 23 February 2022
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- chair: PaulG
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- regrets: irfan
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- present+
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- present+
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- light attendance today, will keep light minutes to match
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- present+
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- TPAC hybrid event: W3C needs a feeling of how many people hope to be in person or know they can't be there. Survey due by March 28.
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- we report our availability to attend in person and Janina and Mathew will report back for APA.
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- 17:12:38 [PaulG]
- And the usual: which groups do we need to talk to and why.
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review, Membership & Announcements -- taken up [from Irfan]
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Action Items [from Irfan]
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from Irfan]
- 17:16:43 [PaulG]
- https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/gap-analysis_and_use-case/#gap-analysis
- 17:20:14 [PaulG]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GzVgbwcldWAP3l6yc3KLSRy4rr_qRusEE566viui0_o/edit#
- 17:24:02 [PaulG]
- if we can get some of our use cases (like education/testing) to appeal to smart speakers and implementor technology that's not covered by the ARIA approach, we need to highlight that.
- 17:24:36 [PaulG]
- I think it's possible to extend the key/value pairs beyond locale and into things like voice
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- present+
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- janina: HTML lang may not be sufficient for variations in dialect/vernacular/historical pronunciation
- 17:27:13 [janina]
- http://unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com/2010/12/classical-vs-ecclesiastical-latin-part.html
- 17:29:06 [PaulG]
- I think the only way to address this in SSML is with specification of a voice (assuming the voice pack reaches all areas of the dialect requested).
- 17:29:27 [janina]
- Koine Greek is need for New Testament as well as Septuagent (Jewish) studies
- 17:30:16 [PaulG]
- Alan: is there a fallback in the ARIA approach
- 17:31:37 [janina]
- That's different But Koine is inappropriate for Plato and Euripides
- 17:35:45 [PaulG]
- Mark: it helps cases of sub but not say-as or pausing which are primary concern of this group.
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- Mark: math and chemistry requires pausing between terms
- 17:36:51 [PaulG]
- Mark: currently, it's hacked with commas to create the pausing which affects the Braille output.
- 17:39:31 [PaulG]
- Mark: say-as numeric could be keyed into the ARIA approach with IPA
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- aria-pronounce="as-characters" could wrap several tokens and each has a key for the locale
- 17:44:27 [PaulG]
- I think we could do this for our 5 primary features
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- janina: we may want to approach them before we do all the mapping if it's just a mapping exercise
- 17:49:08 [PaulG]
- Mark will complete the task at hand as well as try to draw attention to the 5 primary features we're requesting during an initial implementation
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- I will write up a treatment of the expanded ARIA approach and Janina will carry it forward for further discussion with ARIA WG at a later date.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Github Issues and examples -- taken up [from Irfan]
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- https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/107 new issue
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- Other Business -- taken up [from Irfan]
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/23-pronunciation-minutes.html PaulG
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- 17:53:33 [mhakkinen]
- Extended IPA Pausing: (.)Short pause(..)Medium pause(...)Long pause(1.2)1.2-second pause
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