10:59:42 RRSAgent has joined #wot-arch 10:59:42 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/02/17-wot-arch-irc 10:59:49 ryuichi has joined #wot-arch 10:59:53 meeting: WoT Architctur 11:01:24 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally 11:02:50 mlagally has joined #wot-arch 11:03:48 present+ Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima 11:04:15 McCool has joined #wot-arch 11:04:23 Mizushima has joined #wot-arch 11:06:35 ktoumura has joined #wot-arch 11:08:43 topic: minutes 11:08:56 ml: Feb 10 minutes 11:09:04 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/02/10-wot-arch-minutes.html Feb-10 11:09:29 i/10 min/scribenick: McCool/ 11:09:36 ml: anything needs to be changed? Any objections to publish? 11:09:37 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura 11:09:46 ... hearing none, will be published. 11:09:54 topic: PRs 11:10:14 subtopic: PR #695 11:10:27 ml: improving language, rfc2119 11:11:34 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 11:12:15 i|impro|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/695 PR 695 - fixes #688: Improving language, adding rfc2119 assertion| 11:14:44 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-architecture/695/7368123...e71626f.html#links diff - 7.1.3 Links 11:15:59 ml: suggest we use Web Thing consistently for Thing with a network interface 11:16:12 mm: I would be ok with that, as a more precise subclass of Thing 11:16:39 q+ 11:17:06 ... in which case Device and Service are subclasses of Web Thing (and also, indirectly, Thing) 11:17:47 ack k 11:18:47 mm: suggest we do the diagram offline, and have a pure class relationships without extra stuff we have to maintain (like descriptions) 11:18:48 kaz: if we need to discuss the data transfer diagram for this PR, we should rather discuss the terminology issue to clarify the basic components and data transfer among them 11:18:57 s/kaz: if we need to discuss the data transfer diagram for this PR, we should rather discuss the terminology issue to clarify the basic components and data transfer among them// 11:19:08 i/suggest/kaz: if we need to discuss the data transfer diagram for this PR, we should rather discuss the terminology issue to clarify the basic components and data transfer among them/ 11:19:21 i/if we/scribenick: kaz/ 11:19:36 i/suggest/scribenick: McCool/ 11:24:31 ml: (edits diagram) 11:25:42 ml: ok, need to make some adjustments, will hold on this one for now 11:26:43 rrsagent, make log public 11:26:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 11:26:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/17-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz 11:27:55 chair: Lagally 11:28:45 subtopic: PR #696 11:28:56 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/696 PR 696 11:29:11 s/PR 696/PR 696 - New section on "virtual things", clarifying terminology/ 11:30:16 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/682 related Issue 682 - clarify virtual thing 11:31:02 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-architecture/696/7368123...df70bbb.html#virtual-thing diff - 6.9 Virtual Things 11:31:46 q? 11:31:49 q+ 11:32:08 mm: I think "abstract thing" is the wrong name, could be "thing that has metadata", i.e. Metadata Thing 11:34:53 ... we do have use cases for some of these, e.g. compositions are already in TD spec, links things (called Thing Links, actually) are in Directories under discovery 11:35:01 ack k 11:35:24 kaz: might be good to have "levels" of definitions 11:35:41 ... and then there is virtualization, mapping between physical and virtual entity 11:38:48 mm: right now virtual thing "represents" other Things, and this is a different kind of relationship than subclass 11:39:41 kaz: if we've not yet clearly defined "virtualization" yet and would use "representing" as the basic relationship, that's ok. however, we should split "representing layer" and "represented layer". 11:39:58 s/if/right. if/ 11:40:07 i/if we/scribenick: kaz/ 11:40:15 scribenick: McCool/ 11:40:23 s|scribenick: McCool/|| 11:40:26 scribenick: McCool 11:41:17 ml: seems composition thing is a subclass of link thing 11:43:06 q? 11:43:07 q+ 11:43:29 mm: location thing (thing representing a location) might be very complex 11:44:38 ack k 11:44:39 ... however, it may simply be an RDF class, e.g. from the BOT ontology 11:44:52 ml: ok, let's leave location off for now and move 11:45:39 kaz: location itself is information which can be part of the TD, so I'm not sure about the "location Thing" as part of this diagram. maybe a sensor entity providing location information 11:45:53 s/kaz: location itself is information which can be part of the TD, so I'm not sure about the "location Thing" as part of this diagram. maybe a sensor entity providing location information// 11:46:02 i/let's/kaz: location itself is information which can be part of the TD, so I'm not sure about the "location Thing" as part of this diagram. maybe a sensor entity providing location information/ 11:46:16 i/kaz:/scribenick: kaz/ 11:46:24 i/let's/scribenick: McCool/ 11:46:26 subtopic: PR #700 11:46:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 11:46:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/17-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz 11:47:04 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/700 PR 700 - Update Abstract 11:48:09 mm: so added "prescriptive when necessary" and took out link to Use Cases (refs not allowed in abstract) 11:50:28 subtopic: PR #701 11:50:44 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/701 PR 701 - Update Implementation Report link in SOTD 11:51:26 subtopic: PR #701 11:56:34 s/subtopic: PR #701// 11:57:08 q+ 11:57:08 ml: not yet done, let's hold 11:57:15 subtopic: PR #711 11:57:26 mm: definitions for Device, Service, etc. as discussed 11:58:05 i/711/kaz: so we'll wait until the actual report is once fixed. right?/ 11:58:13 i/711/mm: yes/ 11:58:19 i/so we'/scribenick: kaz/ 11:58:26 i/definition/scribenick: McCool/ 11:58:56 i|defini|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/711 PR 711 - Definitions for Device, Service, etc.| 11:59:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 11:59:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/17-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz 12:02:31 scribenick: kaz 12:02:44 kaz: note we're out of time, so let's continue the discussion next time 12:03:13 ml: ok, please give comments to the PR 12:03:18 mm: ok, I will comment on Ben's comments and try to come to a closure on them 12:04:05 ... perhaps I can do my PR first (#711), then will ping ml to update his PRs to align 14:00:43 Zakim has left #wot-arch