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11:56:20 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps CG Teleconference
11:56:22 <xfq> present+
11:56:26 <xfq> scribe: xfq
12:00:31 <xfq> present+ canfeng
12:00:36 <xfq> present+ zitao
12:01:43 <xfq> present+ martin
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12:02:17 <xfq> present+ QingAn
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12:02:25 <xfq> present+ Dan_Zhou
12:02:34 <martin> present+ martin_alvarez
12:02:58 <xfq> present+ yanyumeng
12:03:09 <xfq> present+ Jeff_Xu
12:03:49 <xfq> Topic: API
12:04:11 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/177
12:04:15 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/pull/178
12:05:10 <xfq> present+ Yulu_Chao
12:06:43 <xfq> [martin introduces the PR #178]
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12:08:24 <xfq_> martin: I added <details> and <summary>
12:08:42 <xfq_> ... no big changes in terms of content
12:09:26 <xfq_> Preview -> https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://raw.githubusercontent.com/espinr/miniapp/comparison-update/white-paper/comparison.html
12:10:16 <xfq_> martin: I also played with the styling
12:10:26 <xfq_> ... added some different colors
12:10:44 <xfq_> ... please review it
12:10:54 <xfq_> ... sorry it's a bit complex and not easy to review
12:11:06 <xfq_> ... but no big changes in terms of content
12:11:33 <xfq_> present+ chengzhongyin
12:11:49 <xfq_> present+ chenzhongyin
12:11:55 <xfq_> present- chengzhongyin
12:12:21 <xfq_> zitao: I think this table is good for people to understand different technologies
12:12:35 <xfq_> ... another part we want to work on is the APIs
12:12:54 <xfq_> ... a gap analysis would help
12:13:39 <xfq_> qing: Thanks martin
12:13:51 <xfq_> ... what do you think we should do next?
12:14:16 <xfq_> ... some specs are already in W3C WGs or being incubated
12:14:23 <xfq_> ... should we reuse existing ones?
12:14:50 <xfq_> ... be consistent with PWAs or more interop with existing MiniApp vendors?
12:15:06 <xfq_> martin: good question
12:16:03 <xfq_> ... in most of the cases, imo, we could reuse existing web apis
12:16:15 <xfq_> ... we can highlight other cases
12:16:24 <xfq_> ... and discuss what we should do
12:18:34 <xfq_> ... There are some miniapp APIs that are not available on the web for privacy reasons
12:18:42 <xfq_> ... we should discuss those APIs
12:19:03 <xfq_> s/on the web/on the web platform/
12:19:31 <xfq_> dan: baidu raised an issue
12:19:32 <xfq_> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/179
12:19:52 <xfq_> dan: proposed by yumeng yan
12:21:47 <xfq_> [debug audio issues]
12:22:02 <xfq_> jeff: while we're waiting for dan, i have a question
12:22:05 <xfq_> ... is the plan to report the gaps to the specs like service workers?
12:22:20 <xfq_> martin: the first step is to understand the dfferences
12:22:42 <xfq_> jeff: so it is possible to promote these gaps to other WGs?
12:22:55 <xfq_> s/other WGs?/the WGs?/
12:23:11 <xfq_> martin: yes, the gap analysis is the first step
12:23:42 <xfq_> ... current MiniApp impls don't follow the web apis
12:24:00 <xfq_> jeff: that reminds me of the old browsers ;-)
12:24:40 <xfq_> zitao: I have reviewed https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/179
12:24:51 <xfq_> ... maybe we can merge the several API issues into one
12:25:05 <xfq_> ... we can work together
12:25:15 <xfq_> dan: good idea
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12:28:00 <xfq_> xfq: https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/174
12:28:29 <xfq_> zitao: @@
12:31:49 <xfq_> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/173
12:32:01 <xfq_> jeff: what does this issue mean?
12:32:23 <xfq_> zitao: I didn't find any data
12:32:24 <xfq_> ... we need to do some homework
12:33:19 <xfq_> dan: i think the selector api is a js api that runs in the logic layer
12:33:32 <xfq_> ... a MiniApp runs in a logic layer and a view layer
12:33:48 <xfq_> ... maybe that's the reason
12:33:59 <xfq_> ... but we need to measure the exact performance
12:34:23 <xfq_> zitao: i'm not sure whether it can be addressed by standardizatoin
12:35:56 <xfq_> martin: in the WG the discussion is limited to w3c members
12:36:03 <xfq_> ... in the CG we can attract more players
12:36:29 <xfq_> ... perhaps we can organize some F2F meetings in Europe
12:36:49 <xfq_> ... attract more people, like folks in Telegram
12:37:10 <xfq_> ... it's outreach of miniapps
12:37:30 <xfq_> ... perhaps working with the w3c host in Europe
12:37:48 <xfq_> ... want to check with you, whether you think it's a good idea
12:37:57 <xfq_> dan: good idea
12:38:22 <xfq_> zitao: important for attracting more people to join our groups
12:38:37 <xfq_> martin: i can prepare a proposal and discuss with you
12:38:48 <xfq_> ... discuss with w3c members and w3c staff
12:39:34 <xfq_> dan: who can organize this meeting?
12:39:51 <xfq_> martin: i used to organize various w3c-related events
12:39:56 <xfq_> ... i think it's easy
12:40:26 <xfq_> ... since i'm based in Europe i can talk with some institutions, companies, speakers
12:40:36 <xfq_> ... once we have a venue we can talk about the agenda
12:41:36 <xfq_> ... we launched OW2 Quick App Initiative
12:41:44 <xfq_> ... we can also promote MiniApps
12:42:00 <xfq_> ... OW2 is an open-srouce org based in france
12:43:27 <xfq_> ... if you have some reps in Europe we can organize it together
12:43:58 <xfq_> ... i will share the proposal with you and we can discuss it
12:46:06 <xfq_> ... i think it's an opportunity for the group and for w3c
12:46:17 <xfq_> canfeng: quick update about the widget spec
12:46:52 <xfq_> ... i only have a chinese draft now, and will translate it into english and present it hopefully in the next meeting
12:47:00 <xfq_> ... i can briefly describe the content of it
12:47:10 <xfq_> ... based on the req discussion in the WG
12:47:31 <xfq_> ... we need some special technology for widgets
12:47:51 <xfq_> ... related to lifecycle, APIs
12:48:16 <xfq_> ... will also refer to the published WG drafts
12:48:40 <xfq_> ... will also reuse the component specs
12:49:01 <xfq_> ... last but not least, there will be some privacy and security issues
12:49:12 <xfq_> ... camera, geolocation, audio recording, etc.
12:49:19 <xfq_> ... ensureing UA security
12:49:33 <xfq_> ... i'll try my best to translate it next month
12:50:14 <xfq_> martin: if you need more update to packaging/manifest, please let me know
12:50:58 <xfq_> canfeng: i'm not sure if there's any widget examples in the packaging spec
12:51:05 <xfq_> ... examples would be useful
12:51:10 <xfq_> martin: yes
12:51:19 <xfq_> ... we need to include more examples
12:51:44 <xfq_> canfegn: thank you for your great work for summarizing the apis in different impls
12:52:06 <xfq_> ... we should defenitly not reinvent the wheels
12:52:20 <xfq_> ... we should reuse existing apis in PWAs
12:53:43 <xfq_> dan: next meeting
12:53:45 <xfq_> mar 17
12:53:51 <martin> +1 to 17th
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