IRC log of rqtf on 2022-02-16
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 16 February 2022
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- agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
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- agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
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- agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
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- agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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- zakim, list agenda
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]
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- 2. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
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- 3. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
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- 4. Accessibility of Remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
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- 5. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
- 13:35:42 [jasonjgw]
- chair: jasonjgw
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- present+
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- I'm receiving audio, but mine obviously wasn't working for some reason - trying again.
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- present+
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- John_Paton present+
- 14:04:10 [Joshue108]
- present+
- 14:04:43 [janina]
- zakim, take up item 5
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- agendum 5 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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- scribe: SteveNoble
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- janina: need to begin organizing for TPAC, even though it is a ways off
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- janina: will be good to know who might be able to go to Vancouver in person
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- janina: This info helps the W3C with hotel contracts
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- scott_h: How soon do we need an answer about TPAC?
- 14:11:45 [SteveNoble]
- janina: Just knowing if probable or possible is OK for now
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- raja: "I think so, yes"
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 14:13:31 [SteveNoble]
- janina: Still in the research phase
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- janina: Still trying to determine status of the trust token concept
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- janina: One conceptual aspect is getting a new appreciation for industry specific terminology like "edge computing"
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- jasonjgw: Blog post by Jeff Houston provided an interesting perspective on centralization
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- present+
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- janina: Example of how audio phrases are immediately turned into text for further processing in voice assistant technology
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- jasonjgw: Created a GitHub placeholder for updates to the CAPTCHA document
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 14:20:53 [SteveNoble]
- jasonjgw: One more addition to SAUR was completed and merged
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- jasonjgw: Only other point was additional recommendations
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- jasonjgw: Should be in the main branch now
- 14:25:27 [Joshue108]
- SN: There are some cases where, its hard to set fast rules
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- For example video description
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- SN: by nature you need to wait so as not to mask dialogue
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- Same with SL syncing
- 14:26:07 [janina]
- q?
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- q+
- 14:26:14 [Joshue108]
- Different kind of translation
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- q+
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- so they are hard to set rules.
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- SN: We could do an additional run to see where we can do that more affirmatively in each section - or create sub section at the end.
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- ack jan
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- ack ja
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- janina: Can look at what we did with MAUR on allowing user to pause some streams
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- janina: Good to do last read through
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- Raja: sometimes it is helpful to show the absence of information, as in no voicing or no audio
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- Raja: That way the user does not have to wonder about whether there is some content they are missing
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- janina: Also need to look at metadata information that provides details that indicate accessibility techniques used in a given resource
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- janina: We have the ability to maintain a metadata database at the W3C
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- jasonjgw: Suggest we look at Places where we can be more explicit about recommendations in the SAUR
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- jasonjgw: Come back next week on this?
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- janina: We can consider some language about accessibility metadata
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- q?
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- ack me
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- ack jo
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- Joshue108: Messaging?
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- janina: Hold off for now until we have more info
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- JOC: All good
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 14:39:06 [SteveNoble]
- jasonjgw: There are a number of open issues
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- q+
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- ack me
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- https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur_coga_edits_2022/naur/index.html
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- Joshue108: There are a number of COGA issues still open
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- JOC: Here is a new branch with some of the suggested edits from the COGA comments
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- Lisa felt this is not editorial Overview of main relevant 'Content Usable' sections #271
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- https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/271
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- https://w3c.github.io/coga/issue-papers/voice-menus.html
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- Joshue108: Lots of suggestions from a voice-menu paper
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- Containa suggestions related to this document
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- Joshue108: More feedback was requested
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- Joshue108: It was unclear which issues they think need to be cites
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- janina: We don't cite the wiki papers
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- janina: We look for 3rd party research work, academic journal articles, specifications, etc
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- s/cites/cited
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- janina: Do individual personas have an ID ref?
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- q?
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- Joshue108: Could ask for specific sections - more clarity
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- janina: Plain language is not an easy concept to pin down
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- jasonjgw: Creating concise summaries of extended documents is a very difficult task - for example, an abstract of a dissertation takes an extreem amount of work
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- jasonjgw: Acknowledges Jeff Stanley from the MITRE corporation
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- Jeff: Excited to collaborate and help with adding to the MAUR
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- introductions...
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- Ronna ten Brink from MITRE also on call
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- Jeff: we are looking forward to future work
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- jasonjgw: Quick comments remaining??
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- Jeff: will continue email discussions with Josh
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- jasonjgw: As soon as you are fully integrated with the Task Force you should have access to all the resources
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- jasonjgw: other thougts?
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- jasonjgw: We'll push forward with getting the SAUR wrapped up
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, SteveNoble, Joshue, scott_h
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