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13:34:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:34:38 <trackbot> Date: 16 February 2022
13:34:47 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
13:34:47 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
13:34:47 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
13:34:47 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.
13:35:18 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
13:35:31 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
13:35:31 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
13:35:32 <Zakim> 1. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]
13:35:32 <Zakim> 2. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
13:35:32 <Zakim> 3. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
13:35:32 <Zakim> 4. Accessibility of Remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
13:35:32 <Zakim> 5. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
13:35:42 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:36:05 <jasonjgw> present+
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13:52:17 <janina> agenda?
13:52:23 <janina> present+
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14:00:47 <jasonjgw> I'm receiving audio, but mine obviously wasn't working for some reason - trying again.
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14:01:43 <SteveNoble> present+
14:02:18 <Jpaton> John_Paton present+
14:04:10 <Joshue108> present+
14:04:43 <janina> zakim, take up item 5
14:04:43 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:05:02 <SteveNoble> scribe: SteveNoble
14:06:01 <SteveNoble> janina: need to begin organizing for TPAC, even though it is a ways off
14:07:44 <SteveNoble> janina: will be good to know who might be able to go to Vancouver in person
14:08:00 <SteveNoble> janina: This info helps the W3C with hotel contracts
14:11:06 <SteveNoble> scott_h: How soon do we need an answer about TPAC?
14:11:45 <SteveNoble> janina: Just knowing if probable or possible is OK for now
14:12:49 <SteveNoble> raja: "I think so, yes"
14:13:08 <janina> zakim, next item
14:13:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:13:31 <SteveNoble> janina: Still in the research phase
14:14:03 <SteveNoble> janina: Still trying to determine status of the trust token concept
14:15:44 <SteveNoble> janina: One conceptual aspect is getting a new appreciation for industry specific terminology like "edge computing"
14:16:55 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Blog post by Jeff Houston provided an interesting perspective on centralization
14:17:50 <scott_h> present+
14:18:50 <SteveNoble> janina: Example of how audio phrases are immediately turned into text for further processing in voice assistant technology
14:19:47 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Created a GitHub placeholder for updates to the CAPTCHA document
14:20:00 <janina> zakim, next item
14:20:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:20:53 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: One more addition to SAUR was completed and merged
14:21:11 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Only other point was additional recommendations
14:22:29 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Should be in the main branch now
14:25:27 <Joshue108> SN: There are some cases where, its hard to set fast rules
14:25:34 <Joshue108> For example video description
14:25:53 <Joshue108> SN: by nature you need to wait so as not to mask dialogue
14:26:01 <Joshue108> Same with SL syncing
14:26:07 <janina> q?
14:26:10 <janina> q+
14:26:14 <Joshue108> Different kind of translation
14:26:15 <Joshue108> q+
14:26:27 <Joshue108> so they are hard to set rules.
14:27:04 <Joshue108> SN: We could do an additional run to see where we can do that more affirmatively in each section - or create sub section at the end.
14:27:07 <Joshue108> ack jan
14:27:07 <janina> ack ja
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14:30:21 <SteveNoble> janina: Can look at what we did with MAUR on allowing user to pause some streams
14:30:54 <SteveNoble> janina: Good to do last read through
14:31:52 <SteveNoble> Raja: sometimes it is helpful to show the absence of information, as in no voicing or no audio
14:32:33 <SteveNoble> Raja: That way the user does not have to wonder about whether there is some content they are missing
14:33:41 <SteveNoble> janina: Also need to look at metadata information that provides details that indicate accessibility techniques used in a given resource
14:34:38 <SteveNoble> janina: We have the ability to maintain a metadata database at the W3C
14:35:35 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Suggest we look at Places where we can be more explicit about recommendations in the SAUR
14:35:54 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Come back next week on this?
14:36:38 <SteveNoble> janina: We can consider some language about accessibility metadata
14:36:49 <Joshue108> q?
14:37:19 <Joshue108> ack me
14:37:20 <janina> ack jo
14:37:36 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Messaging?
14:37:54 <SteveNoble> janina: Hold off for now until we have more info
14:38:05 <Joshue108> JOC: All good
14:38:37 <janina> zakim, next item
14:38:37 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:39:06 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: There are a number of open issues
14:39:16 <Joshue108> q+
14:39:20 <Joshue108> ack me
14:39:43 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur_coga_edits_2022/naur/index.html
14:39:47 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: There are a number of COGA issues still open
14:39:58 <Joshue108> JOC: Here is a new branch with some of the suggested edits from the COGA comments
14:40:35 <Joshue108> Lisa felt this is not editorial Overview of main relevant 'Content Usable' sections #271
14:40:43 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/271
14:41:04 <Joshue108> https://w3c.github.io/coga/issue-papers/voice-menus.html
14:41:12 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Lots of suggestions from a voice-menu paper
14:41:16 <Joshue108> Containa suggestions related to this document
14:41:39 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: More feedback was requested
14:42:06 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: It was unclear which issues they think need to be cites
14:42:25 <SteveNoble> janina: We don't cite the wiki papers
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14:44:04 <SteveNoble> janina: We look for 3rd party research work, academic journal articles, specifications, etc
14:44:04 <Joshue108> s/cites/cited
14:45:31 <SteveNoble> janina: Do individual personas have an ID ref?
14:46:15 <Joshue108> q?
14:47:13 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Could ask for specific sections - more clarity
14:48:07 <SteveNoble> janina: Plain language is not an easy concept to pin down
14:50:28 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Creating concise summaries of extended documents is a very difficult task - for example, an abstract of a dissertation takes an extreem amount of work
14:52:40 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Acknowledges Jeff Stanley from the MITRE corporation
14:53:12 <SteveNoble> Jeff: Excited to collaborate and help with adding to the MAUR
14:53:23 <SteveNoble> introductions...
14:57:17 <SteveNoble> Ronna ten Brink from MITRE also on call
14:58:14 <SteveNoble> Jeff: we are looking forward to future work
14:58:59 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Quick comments remaining??
14:59:36 <SteveNoble> Jeff: will continue email discussions with Josh
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15:00:20 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: As soon as you are fully integrated with the Task Force you should have access to all the resources
15:00:43 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: other thougts?
15:01:24 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We'll push forward with getting the SAUR wrapped up
15:03:54 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
15:03:54 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, SteveNoble, Joshue, scott_h
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