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11:05:57 <kaz> meeting: WoT Architecture
11:06:21 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Ege_Korkan, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima
11:06:26 <sebastia_> topic: Minutes check
11:06:27 <kaz> chair: Lagally
11:06:41 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/02/03-wot-arch-minutes.html Feb-3
11:07:20 <sebastia_> ML: there is a typ in listener
11:07:25 <sebastia_> Kaz will fix
11:07:47 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Architecture_Feb_10th.2C_2022
11:08:01 <kaz> s/will fix/has just fixed it./
11:08:05 <kaz> s/typ /typo /
11:09:30 <sebastia_> ML: is the dataResponse PR already merged?
11:09:34 <sebastia_> Sebastian: yes
11:09:37 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
11:09:45 <sebastia_> any objections?
11:09:45 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:09:46 <sebastia_> no
11:09:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:09:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/10-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
11:10:01 <sebastia_> topic: Testing
11:10:21 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
11:10:42 <kaz> i/there is a ty/scribenick: sebastia_/
11:10:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:10:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/10-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
11:10:49 <sebastia_> ML: McCool cannot share its testing tool due to companies regulation
11:10:59 <kaz> q+ McCool
11:11:10 <kaz> ack m
11:11:19 <sebastia_> MM: No time to create a PR yet
11:11:39 <sebastia_> ... however already run the tool for the Arch Repo
11:12:07 <sebastia_> ... will share the  csv file soon
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11:12:35 <sebastia_> <MM sharing its screen with the result>
11:13:59 <sebastia_> <MM explains the content of the draft report>
11:14:15 <kaz> s/report/test report/
11:14:55 <kaz> q+
11:15:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:15:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/10-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
11:15:41 <sebastia_> MM: still to do some cleanups in the report
11:16:12 <sebastia_> ..e.g., there are topics that are related to discovery
11:17:56 <sebastia_> ML: currently we have 30 assertions to test
11:18:04 <sebastia_> topic: Contributions
11:18:29 <sebastia_> ML: we have a good numbers of PRs
11:18:37 <sebastia_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pulls
11:20:28 <kaz> subtopic: PR 686
11:20:39 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/686 PR 686 - Update Security and Privacy Considerations (2)
11:21:20 <sebastia_> MM: still working on this
11:23:09 <sebastia_> ... so far I also  introduced some text about trusted environment
11:23:51 <sebastia_> ML: shall we introduce a terminology entry for trusted environment?
11:23:56 <sebastia_> MM: makes sense
11:24:20 <sebastia_> <Ml shows the diff of this PR>
11:24:35 <sebastia_> ML: what is new?
11:25:07 <sebastia_> MM: trusted envorenment and some sections have to be rewritten
11:26:07 <kaz> i|what is new|-> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-architecture/686/7368123...mmccool:524e6bb.html#sec-security-considerations 11 Security Considerations
11:26:40 <kaz> i|what is new|-> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-architecture/686/7368123...mmccool:524e6bb.html#sec-privacy-considerations 12 Privacy Considerations|
11:27:25 <kaz> q+
11:28:00 <kaz> ack k
11:28:41 <sebastia_> ML: any objections? otherwise I will merge?
11:28:47 <sebastia_> no
11:29:02 <sebastia_> s/merge?/merge
11:29:45 <kaz> i/any/kaz: the descriptions are relatively stable. also the PR will change the section structure. so I'd suggest we once merge this PR and add further improvement after that./
11:30:01 <kaz> i/the desc/scribenick: kaz/
11:30:12 <kaz> i/any ob/scribenick: sebastia_/
11:30:15 <sebastia_> MM: is there already a TAG request?
11:30:24 <sebastia_> Sebastian: no
11:30:35 <sebastia_> ML is merging the issue
11:30:41 <sebastia_> s/issue/PR
11:32:24 <sebastia_> subtopic: Improve chapter headings #694
11:32:54 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/694 PR 694 - Improve chapter headings (5&6)
11:33:05 <sebastia_> ML: I improve some chapter headings
11:33:21 <sebastia_> s/improve/improved
11:35:02 <sebastia_> ML: I will merge and update one header to "Common deployment pattern"
11:36:09 <kaz> subtopic: PR 695
11:36:21 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/695 PR 695 - fixes #688: Improving language, adding rfc2119 assertion
11:37:03 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-architecture/695/7368123...e71626f.html#links diff in "7.1.3 Links"
11:39:25 <kaz> q?
11:39:43 <sebastia_> q+
11:40:50 <sebastia_> ack s
11:43:08 <Ege> q+
11:45:30 <sebastia_> ML: update e.g. text about the Links
11:46:55 <sebastia_> Ege: I would use other JSON-LD description for geofance and TD reference to it
11:47:32 <sebastia_> ML: how many reference would I need then?
11:48:31 <sebastia_> Ege: if everything is in the TD I would always need semantic processing
11:49:18 <sebastia_> ... you not solving the problem when you have everything in the TD
11:49:26 <McCool> q+
11:49:35 <kaz> ack e
11:50:23 <sebastia_> Ege: is there as example no_sec for security it does not mean there is no security at all
11:50:30 <kaz> ack m
11:52:26 <sebastia_> Kaz, can you takeover ?
11:52:51 <sebastia_> thanks
11:53:41 <Ege> q?
11:53:44 <Ege> q+
11:53:51 <kaz> mm: we don't have any requirements that everything needs to be a "Thing"
11:55:08 <kaz> ... Things may have network interface and additional metadata
11:55:27 <kaz> q+
11:55:32 <kaz> ack e
11:56:24 <kaz> ek: promoting this approach might make things diverse
11:58:18 <kaz> kaz: think we should think about hardware layer and software layer separately when we think about use cases
11:58:26 <kaz> ml: yes
11:58:35 <Mizushima> +1 kaz
11:58:41 <kaz> ... WebThing has a network interface
11:59:09 <kaz> ... we should split physical layer and abstract layer
11:59:15 <kaz> ... let me type in
11:59:46 <mlagally> proposal: split terminology "Thing" and "WebThing"
12:00:15 <mlagally> Thing being the general form which may only have metadata.
12:00:56 <kaz> mm: I'm working on a PR about terminology, btw
12:01:04 <kaz> ml: tx
12:01:16 <kaz> ... talk to you soon!
12:01:18 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:01:46 <kaz> s/Kaz, can you takeover ?//
12:01:51 <kaz> s/thanks//
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12:02:05 <kaz> i/we don't have any/scribenick: kaz/
12:02:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:02:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/10-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
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