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14:13:07 <kaz> meeting: WoT Plugfest/Testing
14:13:10 <kaz> chair: Fady
14:13:52 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Fady_Salama, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ege_Korkan, Jack_Dickinson, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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14:14:44 <kaz> scribenick: cris_
14:14:47 <kaz> topic: Minutes
14:14:52 <kaz> fady: we discussed a possible test suite for discovery
14:15:06 <kaz> i/fady:/scribenick: kaz/
14:15:09 <kaz> scribenick: cris_
14:15:10 <cris_> mc: we still need to finalize it
14:15:20 <cris_> fady: minutes ok?
14:16:15 <cris_> topic: Pull Requests
14:16:29 <cris_> subtopic: PR 207
14:16:51 <cris_> fady: minor PR just updated the directories and file names to be ready for the next plug fest
14:17:11 <McCool> q+
14:17:13 <McCool> q?
14:17:40 <cris_> mc: we should discuss the follow up pf
14:17:54 <cris_> ... in particular about having it in person or virtual
14:18:08 <cris_> ... and thinking about the schedule
14:18:55 <cris_> ... we have PR transition in November and a CR transition is due to end of August
14:18:58 <kaz> i|minor PR|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/207 PR 207 - update date of next Testfest/Plugfest to 03.2022|
14:19:05 <kaz> ack mc
14:19:24 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1012
14:20:31 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
14:20:40 <cris_> ... for mid-april we need an implementation report draft
14:20:53 <kaz> s/1012/1012 wot PR 1012 - Update Plan due to delay in Discovery, TD 1.1, CR/PR typo|
14:21:05 <cris_> ... for profile we need an implementation report draft for end of August
14:21:15 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:21:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:21:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:21:20 <cris_> ... tpac is scheduled for 12-16 September
14:21:45 <cris_> ... having an in person PF the week before or the week after
14:21:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:21:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:22:54 <cris_> ... another option might be having a PF in July which was the original plan
14:23:14 <cris_> fady: yes
14:23:41 <cris_> mc: since we have a TPac in September we could have a third PF
14:24:03 <kaz> s/typo|/typo/
14:24:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:24:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:24:06 <kaz> q?
14:24:09 <kaz> q+ Ege
14:24:11 <kaz> ack e
14:24:18 <cris_> ege: generally I like having a PF in Tpac
14:24:43 <cris_> ... if Tpac is phisical I would vote for having one
14:24:46 <kaz> q+ mlagally
14:24:50 <kaz> ack ml
14:25:08 <cris_> ... but I would split PF and TestFest
14:25:10 <kaz> present+ David_Ezell
14:25:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:25:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:25:35 <cris_> ml: I have different opinion, you can optimize time
14:25:59 <cris_> ege: I'm afraid that we'll lose focus on the Test Report
14:26:06 <cris_> s/Test/implementation/
14:26:09 <kaz> s/Tpac/TPAC/g
14:26:18 <kaz> s/phisical/physical/
14:26:32 <cris_> mc: right, the current plan is to have them mixed now but different sync meetings
14:26:33 <kaz> q+
14:26:45 <cris_> ... doing the same thing for mid july make sense
14:27:30 <cris_> ... all the testing should be done before September
14:28:22 <Fady> q?
14:28:32 <cris_> ml: if it is a physical event it make sense to build demos
14:28:48 <cris_> mc: I agree but demos are separate activities
14:29:15 <cris_> ... my plan is to add TPac on the calendar, about PF will see
14:29:43 <cris_> kaz: It more important to understand who is going to take the lead for each events
14:29:55 <cris_> s/it more/it is more/
14:30:44 <cris_> ... regardless about if the event is going to be physical or virtual
14:30:44 <kaz> s/It more/From my viewpoint, what is more/
14:30:46 <cris_> q?
14:30:50 <kaz> ack k
14:31:05 <kaz> s/important/important is/
14:31:11 <cris_> topic: Tools
14:31:22 <cris_> fady: we already have a tool to merge CSV files
14:31:27 <kaz> s/each events/each event/
14:31:32 <cris_> ... and generate a final implementation report
14:31:52 <kaz> s/regardless about/regardless of/
14:32:19 <cris_> ... we also need tools for other specs like discovery and profiles
14:32:20 <kaz> s/if the/whether/
14:32:50 <cris_> ege: we have something for discovery
14:33:01 <kaz> s/or virtual/or not, we need to clarify who to take the lead, how to organize the events, what kind of repository structure to be used, etc./
14:33:03 <cris_> ... probably one test report per discovery implementation
14:33:17 <cris_> ... farshid has his testing tool
14:33:22 <cris_> mc: yeah
14:33:30 <cris_> ... we need to test consumers
14:33:43 <kaz> s/discovery and profiles/Discovery and Profile/
14:33:57 <kaz> s/for discover/for Discovery/
14:34:07 <cris_> ... we need two consumer implementations
14:34:20 <cris_> q+
14:34:39 <cris_> ege: why merge? just counting
14:35:18 <kaz> q?
14:35:40 <cris_> mc: not may assertions on the consumer side
14:35:53 <kaz> ack cris
14:36:18 <cris_> cris: how can we test introductions?
14:36:27 <cris_> mc: just the one that have assertions
14:38:40 <cris_> ege: I have a discovery consumer
14:39:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:39:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:39:41 <kaz> s/Tpac/TPAC/g
14:39:49 <kaz> s/TPac/TPAC/g
14:39:52 <kaz> s/Tpac/TPAC/g
14:39:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:39:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:40:05 <cris_> cris: webthings has an implementation for mDNS too
14:40:15 <cris_> mc: we should get organized
14:40:28 <cris_> ... also about ThingModels and testing tools
14:40:29 <kaz> q?
14:40:40 <cris_> fady: I'm working on it
14:41:07 <cris_> ... I'm more concerned about other tools
14:41:10 <cris_> q+
14:42:46 <cris_> cris: Is it the thing model process normative?
14:42:51 <cris_> mc: not sure
14:43:06 <cris_> ... also do we have two implementations
14:44:08 <cris_> fady: if I understand correctly we already have two implementations
14:44:16 <cris_> mc: yeah we have to processors
14:44:30 <cris_> ... but we also need to have a set of thing models (i.e. examples)
14:44:44 <cris_> ... from two organizations
14:45:28 <kaz> q?
14:45:31 <kaz> ack cris_
14:45:36 <cris_> cris: we had some thing models
14:45:47 <cris_> ... but we didn't cover all the features for sure
14:46:08 <cris_> ege: tum published Thing Models too
14:46:20 <cris_> ... but as partial TDs
14:46:57 <cris_> mc: which is the timeline for having the assertion testing tool?
14:47:03 <cris_> fady: two weeks from now
14:47:17 <cris_> mc: then I'll open an issue for having discovery too
14:48:16 <kaz> s/ tum / TUM /
14:48:36 <cris_> mc: what about logistics? WebEx?
14:48:42 <cris_> kaz: we can use zoom as well
14:49:21 <cris_> mc: I have no strong preference, but if I have to choose webex would be preferred
14:49:34 <cris_> ege: we can't install zoom client as Siemens
14:49:54 <cris_> mc: Intel uses Teams
14:50:20 <cris_> q+
14:50:46 <cris_> mc: test fest would be only for wg
14:50:53 <cris_> ... so we don't have particular requirements
14:51:20 <cris_> kaz: we can use webex and share the link to everyone interested ( for the plug fest)
14:51:55 <kaz> s/use webex/allocate a dedicated WebEx call/
14:52:13 <kaz> s/everyone interested/all the invited guests/
14:52:18 <kaz> q?
14:52:19 <kaz> ack c
14:52:32 <kaz> q+
14:52:49 <cris_> cris: I think we have to think about what we have to do
14:52:58 <cris_> ... if we have particular requirements that webex can't do
14:53:14 <cris_> kaz: there's no particular difference
14:53:20 <cris_> mc: let's keep it simple
14:53:26 <cris_> ... and use webex
14:53:27 <kaz> s/there's/from my viewpoint, there's/
14:53:39 <Fady> q?
14:53:42 <kaz> ack k
14:53:43 <cris_> kaz: ok I'll allocate the links
14:54:06 <cris_> fady: no complaints about the schedule
14:54:10 <kaz> s/the links/WebEx calls based on the currently proposed schedule/
14:54:18 <kaz> s/I'll/I can/
14:54:30 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:54:32 <cris_> fady: adjourned
14:54:38 <kaz> s/[adjourned]//
14:54:42 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:54:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:54:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz