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16:56:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:56:49 <trackbot> Date: 09 February 2022
16:56:55 <janina> agenda?
16:56:59 <janina> Chair:  Janina
16:56:59 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
16:56:59 <janina> agenda+ New Telecon Time Effective Next Week!
16:56:59 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
16:56:59 <janina> agenda+ FAST and Maturity Model Deliverables Update
16:57:02 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
16:57:05 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
16:57:08 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:57:10 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
16:57:13 <janina> agenda+ Web of Things (WoT) "Middleware" Update -- Josh, Janina
16:57:15 <janina> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
16:57:18 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:57:21 <janina> agenda+ be done
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17:03:04 <mike_beganyi> present+
17:03:06 <janina>  present+
17:03:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
17:03:15 <janina> regrets: David_Fazio
17:03:32 <david-swallow> present+
17:03:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> regrets: Lionel
17:03:50 <Matthew_Atkinson> regrets: Becky
17:05:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> regrets+ Lionel
17:05:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> regrets+ David
17:06:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
17:06:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
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17:06:33 <mike_beganyi> scribe: mike_beganyi
17:06:47 <Jonny_James> present+
17:06:59 <mike_beganyi> zakin, next item
17:07:04 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
17:07:04 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
17:07:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
17:08:44 <mike_beganyi> janina: brief reminder that TPAC planning has begun. tentative dates are 12-16 September in Vancouver, British Columbia.
17:09:05 <mike_beganyi> janina: hybrid meetings, a lot of planning meetings
17:09:26 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Matthew_Atkinson
17:09:44 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: David Swallow on the call. need to do introductions.
17:09:53 <mike_beganyi> all: introductions
17:11:09 <janina> zakim, who's here?
17:11:09 <Zakim> Present: Irfan_, mike_beganyi, janina, Matthew_Atkinson, david-swallow, Jonny_James
17:11:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jonny_James, mike_beganyi, Irfan_, david-swallow, Zakim, RRSAgent, Matthew_Atkinson, gpellegrino, kirkwood, stevelee, MichaelC, janina, trackbot, manu, florian, ada,
17:11:11 <Zakim> ... slightlyoff, tink, ZoeBijl, Rachael, jcraig, jamesn, Joshue108
17:14:37 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
17:14:39 <MichaelC> present+
17:15:52 <Joshue108> present+
17:15:56 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Matthew_Atkinson
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17:18:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> regrets- Becky
17:18:09 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
17:18:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
17:19:48 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
17:19:48 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Telecon Time Effective Next Week! -- taken up [from janina]
17:21:29 <mike_beganyi> janina: starting next week, this meeting will move back two hours. same day, just two hours earlier.
17:22:22 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: will update page
17:22:28 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
17:22:28 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
17:22:48 <janina> subtopic: Pronunciation
17:24:16 <janina> term: heteronym
17:25:51 <mike_beganyi> Irfan_: swapping time with APA. deliverables to share with ARIA working group, especially renders. updating gap analysis document with more use cases. decision made ot create a poll with properties and prioritizing the properties and going to ARIA.
17:26:06 <janina> subtopic: rqtf
17:27:02 <mike_beganyi> janina: continuing on various deliverables, nothing ready for CFC yet. SAUR focused on hyperlinks if we want to point to something, keeping things in their proper place.
17:27:09 <janina> subtopic: personalization
17:28:25 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: making progress towards resolving one blocking issue with i18n. about display of symbols in right-to-left languages. progress is being made. our demonstration/rendering is getting close to completion. still needs some tweaking. can send to other i18n chairs for review. only thing blocking CR
17:29:18 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: feedback from AGWG to suggest we write one technique that would use personalization's attributes to help people implement and facilitate understanding.
17:29:22 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
17:29:23 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- FAST and Maturity Model Deliverables Update -- taken up [from janina]
17:29:54 <mike_beganyi> janina: no news on maturity models since last week. proposal to APA without objection. should consider whether there are objections. not today, but soon.
17:31:51 <mike_beganyi> Joshue108: discussing getting something ready to show. two documents we're working on. one is a matrix, one is a main outcomes document (taxonomy). now looking at finalizing. help validate approach for our work. hoping to have something to show in early March. something to show APA at the beginning but then AGWG later on.
17:32:18 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: might show APA and AGWG at the same time. might be APA that has more of a directive on it at the moment. draft published to TR.
17:32:32 <mike_beganyi> janina: APA, then TR, then AGWG, then we can update the working draft
17:33:32 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: we need to publish the FPWD (first public working draft). FAST may be better for note track first.
17:34:39 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
17:34:39 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
17:35:18 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: no new charters that are new to us. some sitting there for bureaucratic purposes but no further action at the moment
17:35:20 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
17:35:20 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
17:35:21 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:35:21 <Zakim> 6. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from janina]
17:35:44 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
17:35:44 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
17:35:59 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: no activity in the tracker this week
17:36:19 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
17:36:19 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
17:36:20 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:36:20 <Zakim> 7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
17:36:21 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
17:36:22 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
17:36:45 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: nothing new on TR that's relevant to us. lots of registrations but they're there for web codex registrations.
17:36:49 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
17:36:49 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
17:36:51 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:36:51 <Zakim> 8. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from janina]
17:36:54 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
17:36:54 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
17:37:23 <mike_beganyi> janina: any actions to report on? mine is holding for Roy's return
17:37:35 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
17:37:35 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
17:37:36 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:37:36 <Zakim> 9. Web of Things (WoT) "Middleware" Update -- Josh, Janina [from janina]
17:37:39 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
17:37:39 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Web of Things (WoT) "Middleware" Update -- Josh, Janina -- taken up [from janina]
17:38:16 <mike_beganyi> janina: Josh and I need to find our last interaction with Web of Things
17:39:35 <mike_beganyi> Joshue108: a "middleware" type of software that does technical mediation that can support people with disabilities. something here that needs to support user needs. profiling, sensory aware networks, etc. application (mobile app, etc.) can sit on top of a network and do some useful things for people with disabilities
17:40:04 <mike_beganyi> Joshue108: app is front-end, however my conception of "middleware" is somewhat lower-level. need to get on the same page about definition.
17:42:02 <mike_beganyi> janina: expound on use case. what I see all the time is "supported". the omission is there's an app in-between. it may be one, or many, companies with involvement.
17:42:31 <mike_beganyi> janina: some things that claim support are not available. how do you know in advance that the app is accessible?
17:42:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+ Fredrik
17:43:39 <mike_beganyi> janina: other apps that claim support but it is not clear. "could" be supported is not sufficient
17:43:56 <mike_beganyi> Joshue108: question is what to do at the moment
17:44:28 <mike_beganyi> janina: look through and find our last interaction with them (remembering TPAC 2020). we shared comments in a document. was anything pulled out of that document? pushing us for cases.
17:44:51 <mike_beganyi> janina: now we have accessibility use cases
17:45:17 <mike_beganyi> Joshue108: we looked at the sensor stuff, home security systems, etc. variations of use cases. I'll follow-up with you Janina and we'll connect about this
17:46:28 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Fredrik
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17:46:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
17:46:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
17:47:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> Fredrik's email to the list on this: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Feb/0004.html
17:47:53 <mike_beganyi> Fredrik: seems that people are sitting around and talking about this and we need to connect with them. will send an e-mail to the list.
17:48:02 <Matthew_Atkinson> s/list on this/list on Matter/
17:48:49 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: put a link to the e-mail above
17:49:02 <mike_beganyi> q?
17:49:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
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17:49:37 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
17:49:37 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina]
17:50:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> 	rrsagent, make minutes
17:50:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
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17:50:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
17:50:27 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebRTC_Encoded_Transform
17:51:19 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: web RTC swamped with deliverables. is there anything for them to work on?
17:51:29 <mike_beganyi> janina: did you cover everything in HTML and in our AUR, my only question
17:52:25 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
17:52:27 <mike_beganyi> janina: I don't recall what we would be looking for in an API
17:52:38 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: inclined to say let's close this then.
17:52:57 <mike_beganyi> janina: same response with 4 of us that we can let it go
17:53:04 <mike_beganyi> ack Matthew_Atkinson
17:53:53 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: seeing the spec, it mentions funny hats, virtual reality gaming, etc.
17:54:09 <mike_beganyi> janina: it needs to mention our RTC accessibility user requirements
17:54:24 <mike_beganyi> Matthew_Atkinson: sounds like it's lower-level. happy to defer to that
17:54:50 <mike_beganyi> janina: would like to be able to send content separately to a Braille display and a screen reader
17:54:58 <mike_beganyi> Joshue108: parallel conversation about attributes
17:55:11 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Matthew_Atkinson
17:55:40 <mike_beganyi> janina: what may have happened is that no confirmation was sent that we're done working on this and need input
17:56:19 <mike_beganyi> janina: need to send that over. how far away from a spec are they, Michael?
17:56:44 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: not sure. not clear what the timeline would be. last report is still working draft
17:57:18 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: can't answer that clearly at the moment
17:57:27 <mike_beganyi> MichaelC: close this then?
17:57:34 <mike_beganyi> janina: leave it open as we need to send chaser
17:58:41 <mike_beganyi> Lionel_Wolberger: definition of "funny hats" is between end user consumption and author. how do we define this?
17:59:21 <mike_beganyi> janina: let's see how Web of Things responds to the "middleware" term
18:01:14 <mike_beganyi> rrsagent, generate minutes
18:01:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/09-apa-minutes.html mike_beganyi
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20:24:40 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: APA Weekly Teleconference: Wednesday 16 February at 1500Z--NOTE NEW TIME!
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