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11:59:59 <kaz> meeting: WoT Profile
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12:02:49 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Farshid_Tavakolizadeh, Michael_McCool, Ben_Francis
12:02:56 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
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12:05:51 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:06:22 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#WoT_Architecture_.2F_Profile_-_Feb_2nd.2C_2022
12:06:33 <McCool_> for the agenda, would like to discuss self-description fixes...
12:06:33 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:06:44 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/269
12:07:12 <McCool_> ... addressing https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/263
12:07:25 <kaz> i/for the agenda/topic: Agenda/
12:07:45 <kaz> i|for the agenda|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#WoT_Architecture_.2F_Profile_-_Feb_2nd.2C_2022 Agenda for today|
12:07:47 <McCool_> ... and also https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/121
12:08:27 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:09:40 <FarshidT> topic: Minutes review
12:10:33 <FarshidT> ml: will upload the summary document after the call
12:11:37 <FarshidT> ... no objections to publishing
12:12:30 <FarshidT> ... now taking a look at minutes from 24th
12:13:24 <kaz> i/for the agenda/scribenick: McCool_/
12:13:39 <kaz> i/will upload/scribenick: FarshidT/
12:13:58 <FarshidT> ... no objections to publishing
12:13:59 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/179/files
12:14:03 <FarshidT> topic: Requirements
12:14:48 <FarshidT> Profile requirements: https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/179
12:15:06 <FarshidT> ml: added identifications of profiles
12:15:30 <FarshidT> ... will go ahead and merge it
12:16:20 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:16:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:16:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/02-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:17:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:17:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/02-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:17:27 <FarshidT> s/will go ahead and merge it/continue review after identification of profiles/
12:18:12 <FarshidT> s/identifications/identification/
12:18:31 <kaz> chair: Lagall
12:18:45 <kaz> s/chair: Lagall/chair: Lagally/
12:18:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:18:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/02-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:19:12 <FarshidT> ml: reviewing defining a finite set of features
12:19:37 <McCool_> q+
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12:20:35 <FarshidT> bf: things should be allowed to define beyond the finite set of features
12:22:07 <FarshidT> mm: basic functionality should be covered
12:24:05 <FarshidT> bf: there could be forms for both ws and http. A consumer that doesn't support one, can ignore it.
12:24:45 <FarshidT> s/features/protocols/
12:25:08 <McCool_> ack m
12:25:18 <FarshidT> ml: recorded Ben's comment. Discussion may continue offline.
12:26:15 <sebastian> q+
12:26:30 <FarshidT> ml: https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/163
12:26:58 <FarshidT> subtopic: limit resource consumption
12:27:12 <FarshidT> sk: not sure why Siemens is mentioned here
12:27:14 <benfrancis> q+
12:27:50 <kaz> ack s
12:27:57 <FarshidT> s/ml: reviewing defining a finite set of features/subtopic: defining a finite set of features/
12:28:13 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:28:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:28:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/02-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:29:03 <FarshidT> sk: The constraints are not needed
12:29:25 <kaz> q?
12:29:28 <kaz> ack b
12:30:15 <FarshidT> bf: it's okay to have a profile to define resource constraints. But it shouldn't be here.
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12:31:43 <FarshidT> s/be here/apply to all profiles/
12:32:42 <McCool_> q+
12:33:09 <FarshidT> subtopic: security and privacy best practices
12:33:19 <kaz> q?
12:34:43 <FarshidT> mm: security guidelines not yet published. Currently not clear how to define security definitions that apply to all use cases.
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12:38:31 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:38:57 <FarshidT> subtopic: developer mode
12:39:55 <FarshidT> bf: it implies that nosec is disallowed, but there are very valid use cases for it
12:40:56 <FarshidT> mm: it overlaps with best practices. nosec can be used if use case demands it.
12:42:02 <FarshidT> ca: how can we test this if nosec is conditional and sometimes valid?
12:43:38 <FarshidT> topic: Requirements
12:43:51 <FarshidT> ml: comments added and merged https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/181
12:44:32 <benfrancis> q+
12:45:01 <kaz> ack m
12:45:03 <kaz> ack b
12:45:28 <FarshidT> ... to have a conversation next week about objections to individual goals without conflicting with requirements of other organizations
12:46:06 <FarshidT> bf: we don't need to cover everything in this (version of) document
12:46:48 <FarshidT> topic: Modelling of multiple things as Thing Link
12:47:29 <FarshidT> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/112
12:47:44 <FarshidT> mm: there is PR on discovery side: https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/269
12:48:38 <FarshidT> ... Thing Link is a TD that only links to other TDs
12:48:48 <benfrancis> q+
12:51:20 <FarshidT> bf: this doesn't solve our self-discovery problem. What use case is this PR solving?
12:51:59 <FarshidT> q+
12:56:22 <FarshidT> bf: the alternative way of using directories to list TDs adds additional implementation complexity
12:56:40 <FarshidT> mm: it would be just about the listing, not the whole TDD API
12:59:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:59:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/02-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:59:45 <benfrancis> q+
13:00:34 <FarshidT> ft: listing may also require pagination
13:01:26 <sebastian> we should move to the main call
13:02:03 <FarshidT> bf: I don't think the well-known URL is that useful because the information may already be known. It rathers adds limitations
13:02:51 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:02:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/02/02-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
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