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14:05:48 <dmontalvo> Topic: Methods
14:06:43 <dmontalvo> Francis: ATs have the ability when markup is wrong. Tihs is not clear
14:06:57 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Several reasons for ATs to pronounce language correctly
14:07:09 <dmontalvo> ... Could be automatically detected based on programmatic label
14:07:56 <dmontalvo> ... An example is 'lang="en"'
14:08:18 <dmontalvo> s/en/english/
14:08:43 <dmontalvo> s/english/french/
14:09:06 <dmontalvo> ... Some can guess based on "lang" attribute value
14:09:48 <dmontalvo> ... Also Japanese characters may get automatically pronounced as Japanese
14:11:09 <dmontalvo> Francis: So this 'lang="french"' example would be fixed by some SRs
14:12:02 <dmontalvo> Wilco: From the perspective that "We care about the outcomes, not how you get there" that would be correct
14:12:23 <dmontalvo> ... Seems like an accessibility support question
14:14:41 <dmontalvo> [[Changes to document based on discussion]]
14:19:18 <dmontalvo> Daniel: Are we inferring that SRs should should guess the language even if authors are not using the correct values
14:19:27 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Yes, this is an unofficial standard
14:24:26 <dmontalvo> Wilco: I think this is how WCAG3 needs to be, focusing more on the outcome
14:25:47 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Latin is still an exception.
14:29:57 <dmontalvo> Francis: Voice is not available example
14:30:12 <dmontalvo> Daniel: It's not just about voice. It is about braille table changes as well
14:31:14 <dmontalvo> Wilco: We need to think of language for which there might not be a voice available
14:31:24 <dmontalvo> ... Old English
14:33:40 <dmontalvo> Francis: Will put these in the exceptions
14:35:13 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Also there is a bunch of Indian languages, not sure there is a speech synthesizer for each of them
14:35:41 <dmontalvo> Francis: https://github.com/w3c/wai-website-data/blob/master/navigation.yml
14:37:10 <dmontalvo> https://www.northwestcareercollege.edu/blog/what-are-the-worlds-least-spoken-languages/
14:40:34 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Another exception would be when there is no voice
14:40:44 <dmontalvo> ... But still it would need to be pronounced somehow
14:40:57 <dmontalvo> Francis: Or maybe based on what's the nearest supported language
14:41:31 <dmontalvo> ... or fall back to page language, OS language, or user preference
14:41:59 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Sure that's an exception. There needs to be a fall back requirement
14:42:33 <dmontalvo> Francis: Probably native language of the speaker
14:42:40 <dmontalvo> Wilco: We may want to put this in our exceptions
14:43:40 <dmontalvo> Daniel: Agree
14:44:56 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Not sure the default language page will work
14:47:51 <dmontalvo> Wilco: User's language choice may work. WE could go further than that. We could require that they use a language in the same language family
14:49:24 <dmontalvo> Francis: That's a lot of work for AT
14:49:35 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Maybe just leave it to whatever the default is
14:50:06 <dmontalvo> Francis: AT can do, but browser prevents it
14:52:12 <dmontalvo> ... Not an exception
14:55:01 <dmontalvo> Daniel: Browser / os may default to English when there is no language declaration. IF you work in English that's less of an issue, if you work in other languages that might be a problem
14:57:33 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Content provider cannot fix these issues
14:58:49 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Maybe we need to step back a bit on the second exception. Using the default pronounciation
15:00:59 <dmontalvo> Wilco: Let's record the braille case. We are talking only about pronunciation up to now.
15:01:19 <dmontalvo> Meeting: Silver Reliability sub Group
15:01:28 <dmontalvo> Chair: Wilco
15:01:35 <dmontalvo> Present: Daniel, Francis, Wilco
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