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19:57:52 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group
19:58:07 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Matt King
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20:07:40 <Matt_King> TOPIC: ARIA-AT Intro Video
20:09:03 <boaz> Matt_King: what to people think about the aria-at intro video: https://vimeo.com/651279608/45aefd646f
20:09:57 <boaz> Matt_King: our goal was to make a basic intro to our project to help folks understand what we're doing
20:09:59 <boaz> jongunderson: I thought it was good
20:10:36 <boaz> Matt_King: one of the concerns that some people had was that the demo wasn't very convincing.
20:10:50 <boaz> Matt_King: it highlights the difference in how switch is announced on different ATs
20:11:46 <boaz> scribe: boaz
20:11:58 <boaz> Matt_King: the example is a made up pizza ordering website, and there is a switch for pepporoni. One example announces it as a check box, and another one announces it as a switch.
20:12:34 <boaz> Matt_King: so we're trying to come up with another demo
20:14:41 <boaz> boaz: we're also planning to add sign language interpretation and make some changes to graphics and their audio descriptions
20:15:24 <boaz> boaz: but the demo is the big thing we want input on to find something that is a bigger issue than switch
20:15:51 <boaz> Matt_King: other examples I'm aware of are combobox, tree, and active descendant
20:16:19 <boaz> Matt_King: tree are announced as a table on a Mac, and you can't tell the level or anything
20:16:31 <boaz> s/tree/trees
20:20:41 <boaz> boaz: it would be great if we could decide the demo direction today so we could code it next week and hand it over to the Filmaker the week of feb 7th
20:20:54 <boaz> michael_fairchild: why not active descendant?
20:21:05 <boaz> jongunderson: how about the grouping label?
20:22:17 <boaz> James: we had talked about having a switch in a home automation system, like lights or air conditioning, but it's not totally prohibitive when it does work
20:22:51 <boaz> James: I think combo box is more compelling since it blocks the user, like typing an address into a covid-testing
20:23:55 <boaz> Matt_King: what if you had like a switch and a combo box, and the switch is for turning notifications on and off, and the combobox is for choosing between text/email/voicemail. on a Mac if you did this, you'd get to the combobox and it would be empty
20:24:24 <boaz> James: interesting do we want to show two controls or one?
20:24:41 <boaz> Matt_King: I think showing two is a good idea
20:25:10 <boaz> JoeHumbert: something everyone can relate to is not working on the phone and working on the desktop
20:25:49 <boaz> James: I think its a good idea to demonstrate the consequences of the problem
20:29:03 <boaz> boaz: we do have limitations of following the current narrative of one demo on desktop, then another on laptop
20:32:44 <boaz> boaz: I think it would be good to have an error be out loud, instead of silent
20:33:12 <boaz> JoeHumbert: couldn't the voice over audio description say what's happening
20:35:51 <boaz> boaz: what about a type ahead with states in an address form?
20:36:03 <boaz> Matt_King: what about a simpler example
20:36:19 <boaz> James: what if we take the select only combo box
20:37:29 <boaz> James: on a Mac it gives you a hint about what to do but then doesn't tell you the content
20:39:28 <boaz> Matt_King: what should the content be?
20:40:42 <boaz> come up with a task that's about choosing an option, from a group of 4-5 examples
20:43:26 <boaz> michael_fairchild: the broken example is https://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/combobox/combobox-select-only.html
20:43:46 <boaz> boaz: what about pharmacy location?
20:44:07 <boaz> Alyssa_G: you could say choose a location to pick up your medication
20:46:02 <boaz> Matt_King: what about about choose how you'd like to verify your identy
20:50:47 <boaz> Matt_King: lets let the director make the final editorial decision, and follow up with the aria-at mailing list to get sign off
20:50:50 <boaz> boaz: ok!
20:51:01 <boaz> Zakim: make minutes
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