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14:11:05 <kaz> meeting: WoT Plugfest/Testing
14:11:13 <kaz> chair: Fady
14:11:51 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, David_Ezell, Ege_Korkan, Fady_Salama, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:12:19 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
14:12:38 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_26.01.2022
14:12:53 <kaz> topic: Agenda
14:13:22 <kaz> mm: suggest we prioritize the discussion with Lagally for today
14:13:34 <kaz> kaz: yes, so let's review the previous minutes later
14:13:47 <kaz> topic: Test/Plugfest scenarios
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14:14:23 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/204 PR 204 - Create test/plugfest scenarios.md
14:14:48 <Ege> q+
14:15:11 <kaz> ml: suggesting we clarify scenarios for Testing and Plugfest
14:15:13 <kaz> q+
14:15:34 <kaz> fs: how long do we expect for Testfest/Plugfest?
14:16:12 <kaz> mm: maybe two weeks?
14:16:22 <kaz> ... one week before meeting and another week after meeting
14:17:31 <kaz> ek: this time we have enough experience for Testing
14:17:55 <kaz> ... TD would require less time
14:18:04 <kaz> ... but Discovery may require longer
14:18:38 <kaz> mm: could go for 2-week plan
14:18:50 <kaz> ml: we do have implementations
14:19:03 <kaz> ... so don't understand your points, Ege...
14:19:29 <McCool> q+
14:19:33 <kaz> ek: Profile is new
14:19:36 <kaz> ack e
14:20:33 <kaz> ml: how do you think we could get implementations for Profile?
14:21:17 <kaz> ... if some companies say they have implementations, we can work on that. right?
14:22:29 <kaz> kaz: confused
14:22:53 <kaz> ... we're talking about not the schedule itself but Lagally's proposed template for Testfest/Plugfest. right?
14:23:13 <kaz> mm: this is more about Plugfest
14:23:33 <kaz> ml: why don't we define the scope of the events first?
14:23:36 <kaz> q?
14:23:38 <kaz> ack k
14:23:39 <kaz> ack m
14:23:41 <kaz> q+
14:24:05 <kaz> mm: ok
14:24:29 <kaz> ... please note we don't need "Test Scenario" but we need "Test Cases"
14:24:34 <kaz> a?
14:24:39 <kaz> s/a?/q?/
14:24:51 <kaz> s/q?//
14:25:17 <kaz> q?
14:26:22 <kaz> kaz: we need some template to describe Plugfest procedure
14:26:43 <kaz> ... and also need another kind of template to describe Testfest procedure
14:26:48 <kaz> mm: yes
14:26:55 <kaz> ... but templates are just part of the procedure
14:26:59 <kaz> kaz: yeah
14:27:32 <kaz> (Fady merges PR 204 itself and we'll continue the discussion)
14:27:57 <kaz> topic: Scope and schedule of the next Testfest
14:28:51 <kaz> mm: need to define the scope of the Testfest
14:29:02 <kaz> fs: (creates a GitHub Issue)
14:29:04 <kaz> q?
14:29:07 <kaz> ack k
14:29:22 <kaz> mm: need to ask Lagally and Ege for opinions
14:29:42 <kaz> ... basically 2 weeks
14:29:54 <kaz> ... and we need to cancel regular calls during that period
14:32:08 <kaz> fs: (put several options on the Issue)
14:33:57 <kaz> q?
14:33:59 <kaz> q+
14:35:49 <kaz> s/options/logistical points/
14:37:31 <kaz> kaz: btw, the title of the Issue should say "Schedule and Scope", and we should talk about the scope too
14:37:34 <kaz> mm: right
14:37:53 <kaz> fs: (fix the title of the Issue)
14:38:06 <kaz> now the content of the issue is:
14:38:07 <kaz> [[
14:38:32 <kaz> testfest should b in the week from Feb-28 to Mar-4
14:38:51 <kaz> combined Testfest/Plugfest in one week with 2 calls per day
14:39:03 <kaz> 8am-9am ET for Testfest
14:39:09 <kaz> 9am-10am ET for Plugfest
14:39:10 <kaz> ]]
14:39:23 <kaz> ack k
14:39:31 <kaz> ca: ok with me
14:39:53 <kaz> mm: need to have some experience about Profile too
14:40:15 <kaz> ... will send this issue to the whole group and ask for opinions
14:40:45 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/206 Issue 206 - Schedule and Scope of the 03.2022 Testfest/Plugfest
14:42:43 <kaz> topic: PRs
14:42:46 <kaz> subtopic: PR 205
14:42:59 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/205 PR 205 - Add template directory for project PRs
14:43:24 <kaz> q+
14:43:33 <kaz> ml: this is about Plugfest. right?
14:43:36 <kaz> fs: yes
14:44:32 <kaz> s/ml:/mm:/
14:44:44 <kaz> mm: should have separate MD to describe the scenarios
14:45:42 <kaz> ... also we should have separate areas, one for Plugfest and another for Testfest
14:46:15 <kaz> q?
14:46:45 <kaz> ... we may share the same TDs for both of them, though
14:48:09 <kaz> ... let's look into what's available now
14:48:21 <kaz> kaz: sorry but kind of confused with PR 205
14:48:37 <kaz> ... we should not mix up the old results and the actual template within this PR
14:48:52 <kaz> ... probably we should once list what we should do first
14:49:12 <kaz> ... and think about the possible template collaboratively with Lagally, because he also proposes some template
14:49:15 <kaz> mm: yeah
14:50:24 <kaz> ... also would suggest merge this PR itself and let's continue further discussion
14:51:21 <kaz> kaz: ok with merging this PR itself, but for the future discussion, please don't too many changes within one PR
14:51:32 <kaz> mm: let's modify the title of the PR this time
14:51:34 <kaz> kaz: ok
14:53:29 <kaz> fs: (modifies the PR description as well)
14:56:13 <kaz> then merged
14:57:17 <kaz> fs: (goes through the merged results)
14:57:41 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:57:45 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:57:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:57:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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