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13:02:16 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
13:02:34 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Tetsushi_Matsuda
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13:06:53 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:07:03 <dape> scribenick: dape
13:07:17 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:07:29 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
13:07:33 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:07:35 <dape> TOPIC: Previous Minutes
13:07:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:07:53 <dape> -> Jan-19 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/01/19-wot-minutes.html
13:08:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:08:35 <kaz> Chair: Sebastian/McCool
13:10:24 <dape> <Sebastian walks over minutes>
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13:14:13 <dape> SK: mentioning of IEEE contribution should move up
13:14:23 <dape> ... to ITU section
13:14:34 <dape> s/ITU/ITU-T
13:16:07 <dape> Kaz: fixed
13:16:15 <dape> SK: The rest looks good, any objection?
13:16:56 <dape> ... no objections >  approved
13:17:04 <dape> TOPIC: Quick updates
13:17:12 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Editors' sync-up call on Tuesday
13:17:24 <dape> MMC: talked about  Extension plan
13:17:32 <dape> ... https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md
13:17:49 <dape> ... extended by some weeks to give us more time
13:18:16 <dape> ... it is checked in... but we still need to approve the dates
13:18:30 <dape> SK: Yes, since we need a date for the TestFest
13:19:53 <dape> MMC: Mid march for TestFest might need to be to be shifted
13:20:34 <dape> ... Note: it is extended to full 12 months period
13:20:55 <dape> SK: I looked into "wide review" guidelines
13:21:18 <dape> ... each task force has to go through the questionnaire
13:22:09 <dape> ... wonder whether we have to select "WD that is moving to CR soon"
13:22:21 <dape> MMC: I suggest "FPWD"
13:22:29 <dape> SK: For all documents?
13:22:49 <dape> MMC: For some, TD might be different
13:23:22 <kaz> i|I looked|-> https://www.w3.org/Guide/documentreview/ Wide Review Guide|
13:23:50 <dape> SK: Wonder also about the required dates to enter? 2 dates?
13:24:29 <dape> MMC: date of request and date of deadline
13:24:41 <dape> SK: I see, will start with TD
13:25:06 <dape> MMC: How long is the review period? 2 months?
13:25:15 <dape> ... maybe 3 months?
13:27:01 <dape> ML: Would like to show roadmap of profile/architecture
13:27:22 <dape> ... <MLagally showing updated roadmap>
13:27:42 <dape> ... Feb 2, clarify requirements
13:27:54 <dape> ... identify gaps, 1-2 calls
13:28:14 <dape> ... contributions to resolve normative gaps, 2 month?
13:28:33 <dape> ... Jan 23, REC transition
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13:29:47 <dape> ... CR, end of July 2022
13:29:48 <Ege> q+
13:29:58 <dape> ... will upload the roadmap
13:30:22 <kaz> q+
13:30:22 <dape> Ege: should be strict about scope: PlugFest vs TestFest
13:30:24 <kaz> ack e
13:30:45 <dape> ... I suggest to have a PlugFest .. besides TestFest in March
13:31:00 <dape> ... we did not use Profile in PlugFest before
13:31:29 <dape> MMC: ML suggests to have it next to each other
13:31:44 <dape> EK: Suggest to have 2 different weeks
13:32:10 <dape> MMC: holiday week March 7, maybe one before and one after this week
13:32:32 <dape> ... let's discuss this in testing call
13:33:02 <dape> ML: I can attend only 10 minutes of the testing call
13:33:48 <kaz> q?
13:34:08 <kaz> ack k
13:34:14 <kaz> kaz: @@
13:34:24 <dape> Kaz: Agree, details should be discussed in testing call
13:34:30 <kaz> s/kaz: @@//
13:34:32 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WoT Japanese CG updates
13:34:53 <dape> TM: kick-off session on Jan 28
13:35:01 <dape> ... also published on events page
13:35:48 <dape> ... plan to have event w.r.t. ECHONET and publishing industry
13:35:55 <dape> TOPIC: Rechartering and Charter Extensions
13:36:04 <dape> SUBTOPIC: IG Rechartering
13:36:05 <kaz> s/event/events/
13:36:21 <dape> SK: IG was accepted
13:37:18 <dape> Kaz: work on official announcement later
13:37:21 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WG Charter Extension
13:37:30 <dape> SK: Draft WG Charter for 12mo extension available
13:37:31 <kaz> s/IG/IG rechartering/
13:37:35 <kaz> q+
13:37:38 <dape> ... -> https://www.w3.org/2021/11/wot-wg-charter.html
13:37:49 <dape> SK: Need horizontal review
13:37:59 <dape> Kaz: Talked with PLH
13:38:09 <dape> ... need to create dedicated issue
13:38:26 <dape> ... horizontal review from security etc
13:38:52 <dape> ... PLH asks W3M
13:39:10 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WG Rechartering AFTER the 12mo extension
13:39:28 <dape> SK: draft available also
13:39:31 <kaz> s/W3M/W3M for 4mo extension for that procedure (horizontal review + AC review following that)/
13:39:35 <dape> ... https://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-wg-2022-draft.html
13:39:44 <kaz> q?
13:39:46 <kaz> ack k
13:39:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:39:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:40:17 <dape> ML: w.r.t. use-cases , we should check our documents
13:40:29 <dape> ... also w.r.t. ideas of re-chartering
13:40:53 <dape> SK: I started to take a look at it already in TD
13:40:54 <kaz> s/work on o/W3M is discussing this topic now and I'll work on o/
13:41:05 <kaz> s/later/later once getting approval/
13:41:08 <McCool> q+
13:41:19 <dape> q?
13:41:59 <dape> MMC: I think we need to work on gathering common requirements
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13:42:04 <dape> ack McCool
13:42:07 <mlagally__> q+
13:42:48 <mlagally__> ack m
13:43:52 <dape> TOPIC: Discuss decision process
13:44:03 <dape> SK: see https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1005
13:44:18 <dape> ... don't know ho to proceed
13:44:28 <McCool> q+
13:44:33 <dape> ... suggest each task-force should make a decision
13:44:57 <dape> ... in TD it worked well
13:45:54 <dape> MMC: I suggest to have a common norm
13:46:03 <dape> ... and need to write it down
13:46:18 <dape> ... proposal is a bit long... need to break things
13:46:30 <dape> ... maybe document our current procedure
13:46:44 <mlagally__> q+
13:46:54 <dape> ... like a DECISION.md file
13:47:06 <dape> ... let's talk in chairs call
13:47:17 <dape> ML: We talked in Arch task force
13:47:35 <dape> ... editorial issues asynchronously
13:47:55 <dape> ... for other issues/PR we should do that in the call
13:48:09 <dape> MMC: Suggest to think about Ben's proposal
13:49:23 <dape> TOPIC: Publications
13:49:35 <dape> SK: WoT Use Cases updated Note and TD 1.1 2nd WD to be published. - ongoing
13:49:44 <kaz> q+
13:49:48 <kaz> ack mc
13:49:51 <kaz> ack ml
13:49:52 <mlagally__> ack mlagally
13:49:53 <dape> Kaz: is working on the documents
13:50:03 <dape> MMC: Discovery needs to do that soon also
13:50:40 <dape> Kaz: I might need some help from ML and SK.. in case
13:50:43 <kaz> s/Kaz: is/SK: Kaz is/
13:50:43 <dape> ML/SK: +1
13:50:50 <kaz> q?
13:50:50 <dape> TOPIC: Marketing
13:50:51 <kaz> ack k
13:50:54 <kaz> q+
13:50:56 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WoT CG
13:51:08 <dape> SK: plan to reactivate WoT Community Group
13:51:15 <dape> ... need official request
13:51:39 <dape> MMC: on web page there is a "nominate" button
13:51:42 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/community/wot/ WoT CG page
13:52:40 <dape> ... 5 votes also needed
13:52:46 <dape> ... not sure about 1 chair or more?
13:53:10 <mlagally__> q+
13:53:24 <dape> SK: I cannot choose anyone ?#
13:53:35 <dape> MMC: same for me, Kaz can cominate
13:53:48 <dape> ... let's ping W3C folks
13:55:30 <Ege> brb
13:55:44 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/community/wot/participants Click "LOGIN TO NOMINATE CHAIRS" button on the participants page
13:55:49 <dape> MMC: Should decide on number of chairs
13:55:55 <dape> ... maybe in marketing call
13:55:59 <kaz> s/brb//
13:55:59 <cris> q+
13:56:22 <kaz> ack k
13:56:31 <dape> q?
13:56:50 <kaz> q+
13:56:51 <dape> ML: I ask the chairs how many chairs are envisioned
13:57:17 <dape> ... decision of working group
13:57:25 <kaz> s/the chairs/the WoT WG Chairs/
13:57:38 <dape> MMC: to many chairs complicate decision process
13:57:41 <kaz> s/envisioned/envisioned for the WoT CG/
13:58:28 <dape> MMC: original idea was one chair.., the one from marketing
13:58:44 <dape> ... or at least co-chair of marketing
13:58:52 <kaz> q?
13:58:57 <kaz> ack ml
13:58:58 <dape> ML: I do have different understanding
13:59:40 <dape> Kaz: as team W3C contact i would say we should have 1 or 2
13:59:54 <dape> ... for 3 we need to have a good reason
14:00:08 <dape> TOPIC: Liaisons
14:00:20 <dape> SUBTOPIC: ITU-T SG20
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14:00:26 <dape> SK: ITU Webinar on "Architecting the Web of Things" now set for Feb 3 at 09:00 EDT / 15:00 CET, for 2h
14:00:29 <kaz> present+ Fady_Salama
14:00:38 <dape> ... MMC provided slides already
14:00:48 <dape> ... I still work on my slides
14:01:08 <dape> SUBTOPIC: OPC UA
14:01:30 <dape> SK: this week there should be a decision w.r.t. new group
14:01:34 <dape> ... will report next week
14:01:43 <dape> TOPIC: TF Reports
14:02:12 <dape> MMC: Use Cases, had meeting with C. Perry
14:02:41 <dape> ML: We had a guest from University of Bologna, .. related to event mechanism
14:03:26 <dape> SK: In TD call we will talk about webhook example ..and binding discussions
14:03:47 <dape> [adjourned]
14:04:00 <dape> MMC: Testing call in 10 minutes
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