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13:51:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:51:16 <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2022
13:51:24 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:51:29 <jasonjgw> present+
13:51:34 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
13:51:34 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
13:51:34 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
13:51:40 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
13:51:51 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
13:51:51 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
13:51:52 <Zakim> 1. Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. [from jasonjgw]
13:51:52 <Zakim> 2. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
13:51:52 <Zakim> 3. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
13:51:52 <Zakim> 4. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
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13:52:20 <janina> agenda?
13:52:25 <janina> present+
13:52:29 <janina> regrets?
13:59:01 <janina> regrets: Scott_Hollier, Lionel_Wolberger
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14:01:12 <SteveNoble> present+
14:01:23 <Joshue108> present+
14:03:58 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:03:58 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:05:21 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Lionel sent regrets...but we can look at CAPTHCA briefly
14:06:53 <SteveNoble> janina: Lionel had comments per Issue 16
14:07:26 <SteveNoble> janina: The discussion of trust tokens
14:08:38 <SteveNoble> janina: There were comments going back to 2020, so this has been in the works a bit
14:10:06 <SteveNoble> janina: We need more background info that we hope Lionel will be able to provide
14:11:11 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:11:12 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:13:08 <Joshue108> SN:  I have text written and ready to go
14:13:24 <Joshue108> JOC: Was struggling with Github a little
14:13:34 <Joshue108> q+
14:14:01 <Joshue108> SN: <Describes issues with GH>
14:15:04 <Joshue108> ack me
14:15:52 <Joshue108> JOC: I'm happy to help Steve, if you want to set up a call with me.
14:16:12 <Joshue108> <Further team Github confusion discussion>
14:17:15 <Joshue108> JW: Any other issues?
14:17:34 <Joshue108> SN: I've gotten the text ready to go and get it into Github - will chat with Josh
14:19:03 <Joshue108> JW: Any other comments?
14:19:06 <Joshue108> SN: Nothing from me
14:19:10 <Joshue108> q?
14:19:39 <Joshue108> JS: I've an action to talk with Timed Text.
14:19:40 <Joshue108> JOC: What about timeline for SAUR?
14:19:52 <jasonjgw> Josh: asks whether we have a timeline.
14:20:09 <Joshue108> JS:Hope to do that in Feb - we need to discuss messaging.
14:21:14 <Joshue108> <Discussion on messaging>
14:21:28 <Joshue108> We do have messaging but it will need to be updated.
14:21:37 <Joshue108> JS: Mentions last call
14:21:43 <Joshue108> JW: The changes are substantive.
14:22:35 <Joshue108> JW: Can we use the previous version?
14:22:40 <Joshue108> JS: Yup
14:23:08 <Joshue108> JOC: Sounds good
14:23:10 <Joshue108> SN: +1
14:23:45 <Joshue108> JOSH: To help with format of messaging
14:24:06 <Joshue108> JW: We will adapt it etc
14:24:35 <Joshue108> JS: We need to mention that we got good responses and the changes are incorporated.
14:24:48 <Joshue108> Also we need to mention why this is important - for tools, standards etc
14:25:11 <Joshue108> If this is a joint publication also is a factor.
14:25:44 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:25:44 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:27:01 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Has labeled all the issues
14:27:47 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Already discusses the issues related to personalization
14:27:56 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/279
14:28:07 <Joshue108> [COGA] 2.6.2 Giving Users Enough Time to Interact
14:28:07 <Joshue108> #279
14:28:57 <janina> q+
14:29:04 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: User need 20 - ample time to respond in a system dialogue
14:29:21 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Request for a new requirement
14:29:44 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: To add an audio notification when the mic is active
14:30:40 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Not sure how this related to lime limits
14:31:00 <janina> ack ja
14:31:06 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: time limits
14:33:15 <Joshue108> ack jan
14:33:26 <SteveNoble> janina: Example - Amazon devices with and without screens respond differently
14:33:37 <Joshue108> JS: This is lacking clarity
14:33:53 <Joshue108> JOC: I'm also not sure how this request fits into the user need.
14:34:29 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: An auditory indicator while a mic is on seems like interference
14:35:51 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Commenter suggested ample time when forming a verbal response
14:36:43 <SteveNoble> janina: Reflected on current devices do not provide for long pauses between words
14:37:58 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Can look at this to see if it should go into the section on speech
14:39:40 <SteveNoble> Janina: Something about allowing for different speech patters
14:41:17 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Sometimes the recognition of a second utterance is dependent upon the context of the first utterance
14:42:07 <Joshue108> JOC: Here is the new issue Speech and articulation rate #294
14:42:15 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/294
14:44:07 <SteveNoble> <discussion around automatic timeouts>
14:44:42 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Commenter suggested removing the timeout requirement altogether
14:45:18 <SteveNoble> janina: Voice response systems need to have a timeout function
14:46:00 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We need to clarify this
14:46:42 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Will look at this
14:47:58 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: 19D seems to have vanished
14:48:25 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Looks like this was changed to 20D
14:48:54 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: The reminder about system waiting for a response
14:50:04 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: There are different needs for different users
14:51:25 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We'll need to look at this in more detail
14:53:59 <Joshue108> [COGA] 2.6.2 Giving Users Enough Time to Interact #279
14:54:06 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/279
14:54:32 <Joshue108> [COGA] 2.6.1 Understanding How to Interact with the Interface #278
14:55:40 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Comment mentioned that Users who need this will find it difficult to discover accessibility settings
14:57:31 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:57:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108
14:58:09 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Important to remember that we still need a lot of AI research to do these sorts of things
15:00:25 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
15:00:25 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, SteveNoble, Joshue
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