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16:45:56 <janina> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:47:13 <janina> Date 26 Jan 2022
16:47:20 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
16:47:28 <janina> agenda?
16:47:32 <janina> Chair:  Janina
16:47:32 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
16:47:32 <janina> agenda+ Proposed Change in Teleconference Hour--Can we move to 10:00 AM (Boston)?
16:47:32 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
16:47:32 <janina> agenda+ FAST Update
16:47:34 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
16:47:37 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
16:47:40 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:47:43 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
16:47:45 <janina> agenda+ Web XR -- Josh https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/278
16:47:48 <janina> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
16:47:51 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:47:53 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:49:24 <janina>  zakim, who's here?
16:49:24 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
16:49:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, PaulG, stevelee, kirkwood, janina, MichaelC, manu, florian, ada, slightlyoff, tink, ZoeBijl, Rachael, jcraig, jamesn, Joshue108
16:49:34 <janina> present+
16:49:38 <janina>  zakim, who's here?
16:49:38 <Zakim> Present: janina
16:49:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, PaulG, stevelee, kirkwood, janina, MichaelC, manu, florian, ada, slightlyoff, tink, ZoeBijl, Rachael, jcraig, jamesn, Joshue108
16:49:48 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
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17:00:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
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17:04:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda
17:04:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda?
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17:05:05 <becky> scribe: becky
17:05:20 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
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17:05:39 <MichaelC> trackbot, start meeting
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17:05:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
17:05:45 <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2022
17:05:58 <becky> agenda?
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17:06:24 <mike_beganyi> present+
17:06:33 <becky> present+
17:06:50 <becky> zakim, next item
17:06:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
17:07:14 <becky> janina: standard agenda, asks for any other updates?
17:07:26 <becky> <crickets> - no other items
17:07:31 <becky> zakim, close this item
17:07:31 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
17:07:32 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:07:32 <Zakim> 2. Proposed Change in Teleconference Hour--Can we move to 10:00 AM (Boston)? [from janina]
17:07:36 <becky> zakim, next item
17:07:36 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Proposed Change in Teleconference Hour--Can we move to 10:00 AM (Boston)? -- taken up [from janina]
17:08:01 <becky> janina : proposed change to meeting time to 10:00 am Boston (US Eastern) time
17:08:26 <becky> janina : if any issues please speak up now, so far no complaints
17:08:48 <becky> zakim, next item
17:08:48 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
17:09:49 <becky> janina : new feature in W3C where people can raise issues on APA documents/notes/specifications, we will discuss any issues here
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17:11:16 <becky> janina: personalization - still working on closing i18n issue #144, making progress but it is slow; starting to look at naming the upcoming specifications clearly to promote people understanding the purpose
17:11:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> Here's a link to the list of specifications known to the horizontal review tracker: https://www.w3.org/PM/horizontal/reviews.html
17:11:59 <becky> janina: planning on a follow up meeting with COGA but need the naming of specifications to be complete
17:12:03 <Fredrik> q+
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17:12:10 <JF> Present+
17:12:13 <JF> agenda?
17:12:58 <becky> janina : RQTF is closing on synchronization user a11y req should be publishing soon;
17:13:07 <Matthew_Atkinson> Here's the Personalization tracker: https://www.w3.org/PM/horizontal/review.html?shortname=personalization-semantics-content
17:13:40 <becky> janina: also working on other documents
17:14:20 <becky> Fredrik : what is meant by clear titles in personalization vs. cardinal numbers?
17:14:36 <becky> Fredrik : I only know them by the numbers
17:15:56 <becky> janina : currently we have agreed that first word of title will be personalization, last word will be module, may or may not include the word semantics within the title and include a description  of the content: help, content, tools, etc
17:16:25 <becky> janina : have suggested personalized adaptations: <module name> but that does not have consensus
17:16:35 <becky> s/adaptations/adaptation
17:16:56 <Fredrik> q-
17:17:45 <becky> paul: nothing to report on pronunciation, several absences at today's meeting
17:19:14 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
17:19:54 <becky> Fazio : am back in US but have no updates from COGA this week
17:20:59 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : there are 3 pronunciation items within tracker list of issues filed by other groups on a specification
17:21:08 <becky> q?
17:21:50 <becky> michael: believe the tracker link is created whenever a github repository is created
17:21:56 <becky> ack Matthew_Atkinson
17:22:28 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
17:22:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-minutes.html becky
17:24:37 <JF> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/
17:25:11 <Fazio> I will
17:25:25 <becky> michael: when an issue is filed against a specification it will get added to the list; for a11y we (apa) will see the items in our tracker if a11y-needs-resolution or a11y-tracker label is added
17:26:48 <becky> michael: no longer required to accept comments on a spec via email; official method is filing a github issue
17:27:04 <becky> q?
17:27:59 <becky> Janina: David to remind COGA that there is a tracker to monitor github issues on a document/specification that needs to be monitored
17:28:24 <becky> janina : more info to come from Janina and Matthew
17:29:23 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : this is for other groups within W3C that require a horizontal review: ex: i18n and APA/A11y
17:30:35 <becky> zakim, next item
17:30:35 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- FAST Update -- taken up [from janina]
17:31:02 <becky> Joshue108 : nothing to report today; lack of quorum at recent meetings
17:32:07 <becky> MichaelC : functional needs subgroup has matured to a point where I believe we should take up the work in APA and make it an APA deliverable. expect the same people to be involved with involvement from WCAG 3 group;
17:32:24 <becky> MichaelC : believe FAST / functional needs should be an APA publication
17:32:59 <becky> janina : yes, since FAST started in APA and we have responsibility for horizontal reviews and we have the broadest scope
17:33:00 <janina> q?
17:33:16 <becky> Janina: any objection to this work coming back to APA?
17:33:53 <becky> janina : no objections from group; expect people currently working on this will continue to work as part of APA
17:34:28 <becky> MichaelC : want list of user needs to be comprehensive and thus believe it belongs in APA
17:36:20 <becky> zakim, next item
17:36:20 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
17:36:58 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/289
17:37:10 <MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2022/audio-2022.html
17:37:12 <becky> MichaelC : audio working group
17:37:44 <becky> MichaelC : have a liaison statement to APA
17:38:05 <janina> q?
17:38:20 <becky> janina : believe they are lower level than we need to be concerned with; believe we can sign off
17:38:40 <becky> MichaelC : decentralized working group
17:38:51 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/281
17:38:55 <MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/did-wg-charter/
17:39:24 <becky> MichaelC : registries, method rubrick, no liasion statement
17:40:20 <becky> MichaelC : we did review in August and had no comments
17:40:48 <becky> janina: believe they should have a liasion statement due to CAPTCHA and we may work with them on joint publications
17:41:51 <becky> MichaelC : will add a comment that APA wants to draw attention to recent updates to CAPTCHA document and prospect of joint publication
17:43:11 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/279
17:43:17 <MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/vc-wg-charter/
17:43:18 <becky> MichaelC : verifiable credentials
17:44:20 <becky> Janina: our concerns are within the general domain of security and not necessarily with individual groups; we do review their specifications
17:45:51 <becky> MichaelC :  will take up at planning call about security groups
17:45:57 <becky> zakim, next item
17:45:57 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
17:46:20 <becky> MichaelC : no activity
17:46:23 <becky> zakim, close this item
17:46:23 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
17:46:25 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:46:25 <Zakim> 7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
17:46:28 <becky> zakim, next itme
17:46:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next itme', becky
17:46:33 <becky> zakim, next item
17:46:33 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
17:46:42 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Thing_Description
17:46:51 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-thing-description/
17:47:05 <becky> MichaelC : web of things description has an explicit review request
17:47:51 <becky> Joshue108 : I responded to profiles but believe there is a broader engagement with wot that we need to consider
17:48:53 <becky> janina: we need to determine where we get involved in some of the specifics, api's and middleware (the actually controller)
17:49:01 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/MiniApp_Packaging
17:49:06 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/miniapp-packaging/#sec-accessibility
17:49:11 <becky> MichaelC : mini app packaging
17:49:49 <becky> MichaelC : self contained applications that run inside of a mini app container, doc does have an a11y considerations section;
17:50:20 <becky> MichaelC : reads a11y section
17:50:33 <janina> q?
17:50:43 <becky> janina: have concerns that this sounds normative and is within a non-normative specification
17:51:00 <becky> Janina: will write up a comment to that effect
17:51:05 <janina> action: janina to review miniapps
17:51:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2317 - Review miniapps [on Janina Sajka - due 2022-02-02].
17:51:31 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Incremental_Font_Transfer_via_Range_Request
17:51:37 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/RangeRequest/
17:52:01 <becky> MichaelC : incremental font transfer ... - how to get an incremental update of an online font
17:52:50 <becky> Fredrik : I will review; don't expect we will have any issues; did not with the previous font transfer spec
17:53:16 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Conditional_Rules_Module_Level_4
17:53:22 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-conditional-4/
17:53:30 <becky> Fredrik : <discussed in group> all agreed to need to respond; no action for Fredrik
17:53:55 <becky> MichaelC : CSS conditional rules module level 4
17:54:06 <becky> janina : we have no one to review
17:54:21 <becky> Fredrik : will reach out to person who may be able to help
17:54:41 <becky> MichaelC : others in list are also CSS so will defer for now
17:54:50 <becky> zakim, next item
17:54:50 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
17:55:05 <becky> janina : any  actions to report on within the group?
17:55:24 <becky> <crickets> no one responded
17:55:30 <becky> zakim, close this item
17:55:30 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
17:55:31 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:55:31 <Zakim> 9. Web XR -- Josh https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/278 [from janina]
17:55:36 <becky> zakim, next item
17:55:36 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Web XR -- Josh https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/278 -- taken up [from janina]
17:56:06 <becky> Joshue108 : there was discussion about use of particular language
17:56:24 <becky> Matthew_Atkinson : we agreed last week that Josh has completed his action;
17:56:33 <becky> janina: no need for a separate agenda
17:56:41 <becky> zakim, close this item
17:56:41 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
17:56:42 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:56:42 <Zakim> 10. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from janina]
17:57:01 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Language_Tags_and_Locale_Identifiers_for_the_World_Wide_Web
17:57:06 <becky> zakim, next ite
17:57:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next ite', becky
17:57:12 <becky> zakim, next item
17:57:12 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina]
17:58:53 <MichaelC> https://r12a.github.io/app-subtags/
17:58:59 <becky> MichaelC : concern about identification of sign language within BC47 ; sign language can be identified and i18n is also including a mechanism
17:59:03 <MichaelC> BC47 language lookup ^
17:59:27 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
17:59:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-minutes.html becky
17:59:54 <becky> zakim, bye
17:59:54 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, Matthew_Atkinson, PaulG, Fredrik, Fazio, becky, mike_beganyi, JF
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17:59:56 <MichaelC> present+
18:00:29 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
18:00:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-minutes.html becky
18:01:54 <becky> rrsagent, close
18:01:54 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'close', becky.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:01:59 <becky> rrsagent, bye
18:01:59 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-actions.rdf :
18:01:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: janina to review miniapps [1]
18:01:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-irc#T17-51-05