IRC log of apa on 2022-01-26
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date 26 Jan 2022
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- agenda?
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- Chair: Janina
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- agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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- agenda+ Proposed Change in Teleconference Hour--Can we move to 10:00 AM (Boston)?
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- agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
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- agenda+ FAST Update
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- agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
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- agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
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- agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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- agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
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- agenda+ Web XR -- Josh https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/278
- 16:47:48 [janina]
- agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ be done
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- zakim, who's here?
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- Present: (no one)
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, PaulG, stevelee, kirkwood, janina, MichaelC, manu, florian, ada, slightlyoff, tink, ZoeBijl, Rachael, jcraig, jamesn, Joshue108
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- present+
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- zakim, who's here?
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- Present: janina
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, PaulG, stevelee, kirkwood, janina, MichaelC, manu, florian, ada, slightlyoff, tink, ZoeBijl, Rachael, jcraig, jamesn, Joshue108
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-minutes.html janina
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- present+
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- agenda
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- scribe: becky
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-minutes.html becky
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- trackbot, start meeting
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 26 January 2022
- 17:05:58 [becky]
- agenda?
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- present+
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- present+
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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- janina: standard agenda, asks for any other updates?
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- <crickets> - no other items
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
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- I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Proposed Change in Teleconference Hour--Can we move to 10:00 AM (Boston)? [from janina]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Proposed Change in Teleconference Hour--Can we move to 10:00 AM (Boston)? -- taken up [from janina]
- 17:08:01 [becky]
- janina : proposed change to meeting time to 10:00 am Boston (US Eastern) time
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- janina : if any issues please speak up now, so far no complaints
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
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- janina : new feature in W3C where people can raise issues on APA documents/notes/specifications, we will discuss any issues here
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- 17:11:16 [becky]
- janina: personalization - still working on closing i18n issue #144, making progress but it is slow; starting to look at naming the upcoming specifications clearly to promote people understanding the purpose
- 17:11:57 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Here's a link to the list of specifications known to the horizontal review tracker: https://www.w3.org/PM/horizontal/reviews.html
- 17:11:59 [becky]
- janina: planning on a follow up meeting with COGA but need the naming of specifications to be complete
- 17:12:03 [Fredrik]
- q+
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- Present+
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- agenda?
- 17:12:58 [becky]
- janina : RQTF is closing on synchronization user a11y req should be publishing soon;
- 17:13:07 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- Here's the Personalization tracker: https://www.w3.org/PM/horizontal/review.html?shortname=personalization-semantics-content
- 17:13:40 [becky]
- janina: also working on other documents
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- Fredrik : what is meant by clear titles in personalization vs. cardinal numbers?
- 17:14:36 [becky]
- Fredrik : I only know them by the numbers
- 17:15:56 [becky]
- janina : currently we have agreed that first word of title will be personalization, last word will be module, may or may not include the word semantics within the title and include a description of the content: help, content, tools, etc
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- janina : have suggested personalized adaptations: <module name> but that does not have consensus
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- s/adaptations/adaptation
- 17:16:56 [Fredrik]
- q-
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- paul: nothing to report on pronunciation, several absences at today's meeting
- 17:19:14 [Matthew_Atkinson]
- q+
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- Fazio : am back in US but have no updates from COGA this week
- 17:20:59 [becky]
- Matthew_Atkinson : there are 3 pronunciation items within tracker list of issues filed by other groups on a specification
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- q?
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- michael: believe the tracker link is created whenever a github repository is created
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- ack Matthew_Atkinson
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-minutes.html becky
- 17:24:37 [JF]
- https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/
- 17:25:11 [Fazio]
- I will
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- michael: when an issue is filed against a specification it will get added to the list; for a11y we (apa) will see the items in our tracker if a11y-needs-resolution or a11y-tracker label is added
- 17:26:48 [becky]
- michael: no longer required to accept comments on a spec via email; official method is filing a github issue
- 17:27:04 [becky]
- q?
- 17:27:59 [becky]
- Janina: David to remind COGA that there is a tracker to monitor github issues on a document/specification that needs to be monitored
- 17:28:24 [becky]
- janina : more info to come from Janina and Matthew
- 17:29:23 [becky]
- Matthew_Atkinson : this is for other groups within W3C that require a horizontal review: ex: i18n and APA/A11y
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- FAST Update -- taken up [from janina]
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- Joshue108 : nothing to report today; lack of quorum at recent meetings
- 17:32:07 [becky]
- MichaelC : functional needs subgroup has matured to a point where I believe we should take up the work in APA and make it an APA deliverable. expect the same people to be involved with involvement from WCAG 3 group;
- 17:32:24 [becky]
- MichaelC : believe FAST / functional needs should be an APA publication
- 17:32:59 [becky]
- janina : yes, since FAST started in APA and we have responsibility for horizontal reviews and we have the broadest scope
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- q?
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- Janina: any objection to this work coming back to APA?
- 17:33:53 [becky]
- janina : no objections from group; expect people currently working on this will continue to work as part of APA
- 17:34:28 [becky]
- MichaelC : want list of user needs to be comprehensive and thus believe it belongs in APA
- 17:36:20 [becky]
- zakim, next item
- 17:36:20 [Zakim]
- agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
- 17:36:58 [MichaelC]
- https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/289
- 17:37:10 [MichaelC]
- https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2022/audio-2022.html
- 17:37:12 [becky]
- MichaelC : audio working group
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- MichaelC : have a liaison statement to APA
- 17:38:05 [janina]
- q?
- 17:38:20 [becky]
- janina : believe they are lower level than we need to be concerned with; believe we can sign off
- 17:38:40 [becky]
- MichaelC : decentralized working group
- 17:38:51 [MichaelC]
- https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/281
- 17:38:55 [MichaelC]
- https://w3c.github.io/did-wg-charter/
- 17:39:24 [becky]
- MichaelC : registries, method rubrick, no liasion statement
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- MichaelC : we did review in August and had no comments
- 17:40:48 [becky]
- janina: believe they should have a liasion statement due to CAPTCHA and we may work with them on joint publications
- 17:41:51 [becky]
- MichaelC : will add a comment that APA wants to draw attention to recent updates to CAPTCHA document and prospect of joint publication
- 17:43:11 [MichaelC]
- https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/279
- 17:43:17 [MichaelC]
- https://w3c.github.io/vc-wg-charter/
- 17:43:18 [becky]
- MichaelC : verifiable credentials
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- Janina: our concerns are within the general domain of security and not necessarily with individual groups; we do review their specifications
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- MichaelC : will take up at planning call about security groups
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
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- MichaelC : no activity
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 6 closed
- 17:46:25 [Zakim]
- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 17:46:25 [Zakim]
- 7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
- 17:46:28 [becky]
- zakim, next itme
- 17:46:28 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'next itme', becky
- 17:46:33 [becky]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
- 17:46:42 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things_(WoT)_Thing_Description
- 17:46:51 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/wot-thing-description/
- 17:47:05 [becky]
- MichaelC : web of things description has an explicit review request
- 17:47:51 [becky]
- Joshue108 : I responded to profiles but believe there is a broader engagement with wot that we need to consider
- 17:48:53 [becky]
- janina: we need to determine where we get involved in some of the specifics, api's and middleware (the actually controller)
- 17:49:01 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/MiniApp_Packaging
- 17:49:06 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/miniapp-packaging/#sec-accessibility
- 17:49:11 [becky]
- MichaelC : mini app packaging
- 17:49:49 [becky]
- MichaelC : self contained applications that run inside of a mini app container, doc does have an a11y considerations section;
- 17:50:20 [becky]
- MichaelC : reads a11y section
- 17:50:33 [janina]
- q?
- 17:50:43 [becky]
- janina: have concerns that this sounds normative and is within a non-normative specification
- 17:51:00 [becky]
- Janina: will write up a comment to that effect
- 17:51:05 [janina]
- action: janina to review miniapps
- 17:51:06 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2317 - Review miniapps [on Janina Sajka - due 2022-02-02].
- 17:51:31 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Incremental_Font_Transfer_via_Range_Request
- 17:51:37 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/RangeRequest/
- 17:52:01 [becky]
- MichaelC : incremental font transfer ... - how to get an incremental update of an online font
- 17:52:50 [becky]
- Fredrik : I will review; don't expect we will have any issues; did not with the previous font transfer spec
- 17:53:16 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Conditional_Rules_Module_Level_4
- 17:53:22 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/css-conditional-4/
- 17:53:30 [becky]
- Fredrik : <discussed in group> all agreed to need to respond; no action for Fredrik
- 17:53:55 [becky]
- MichaelC : CSS conditional rules module level 4
- 17:54:06 [becky]
- janina : we have no one to review
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- Fredrik : will reach out to person who may be able to help
- 17:54:41 [becky]
- MichaelC : others in list are also CSS so will defer for now
- 17:54:50 [becky]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
- 17:55:05 [becky]
- janina : any actions to report on within the group?
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- <crickets> no one responded
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 8 closed
- 17:55:31 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 17:55:31 [Zakim]
- 9. Web XR -- Josh https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/278 [from janina]
- 17:55:36 [becky]
- zakim, next item
- 17:55:36 [Zakim]
- agendum 9 -- Web XR -- Josh https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/278 -- taken up [from janina]
- 17:56:06 [becky]
- Joshue108 : there was discussion about use of particular language
- 17:56:24 [becky]
- Matthew_Atkinson : we agreed last week that Josh has completed his action;
- 17:56:33 [becky]
- janina: no need for a separate agenda
- 17:56:41 [becky]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 9 closed
- 17:56:42 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 17:56:42 [Zakim]
- 10. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from janina]
- 17:57:01 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Language_Tags_and_Locale_Identifiers_for_the_World_Wide_Web
- 17:57:06 [becky]
- zakim, next ite
- 17:57:06 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'next ite', becky
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- zakim, next item
- 17:57:12 [Zakim]
- agendum 10 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina]
- 17:58:53 [MichaelC]
- https://r12a.github.io/app-subtags/
- 17:58:59 [becky]
- MichaelC : concern about identification of sign language within BC47 ; sign language can be identified and i18n is also including a mechanism
- 17:59:03 [MichaelC]
- BC47 language lookup ^
- 17:59:27 [becky]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-minutes.html becky
- 17:59:54 [becky]
- zakim, bye
- 17:59:54 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been janina, Matthew_Atkinson, PaulG, Fredrik, Fazio, becky, mike_beganyi, JF
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- Zakim has left #apa
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- present+
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-minutes.html becky
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- rrsagent, close
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'close', becky. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: janina to review miniapps [1]
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- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2022/01/26-apa-irc#T17-51-05