IRC log of aria-apg on 2022-01-18
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/01/18-aria-apg-irc
- 18:57:31 [Matt_King]
- MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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- present+
- 18:58:05 [Jemma]
- present+
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- 18:58:33 [Jemma]
- agenda+ Setup and review agenda
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- agenda?
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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- agenda?
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- agenda+ setup and review agenda
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- agenda+ APG issue triage
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- agenda+ ARIA 1.3 annotation
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- agenda+ tab example
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- agenda?
- 19:00:43 [MarkMcCarthy]
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- present+
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- present+
- 19:03:44 [jongunderson]
- present+ jongund
- 19:05:05 [Jemma]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- setup and review agenda -- taken up [from Jemma]
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- no update for the agenda
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 was just opened, Jemma
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2 -- APG issue triage -- taken up [from Jemma]
- 19:05:37 [carmacleod]
- scribe: carmacleod
- 19:05:56 [Jemma]
- https://github.com/search?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+created%3A%3E%3D2021-12-01+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria-practices&type=Issues
- 19:06:51 [CurtBellew]
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- 19:06:58 [carmacleod]
- jemma: Let's do issue triage, like the ARIA WG does. We have 14 new open issues.
- 19:07:07 [Jemma]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2202
- 19:09:27 [carmacleod]
- carmacleod: This is something Michael C. has to do.
- 19:09:40 [Jemma]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2198
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- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2197
- 19:12:18 [carmacleod]
- mck: Add question and feedback labels, and it can be closed
- 19:12:50 [carmacleod]
- s/it can be/2198 can be
- 19:16:58 [carmacleod]
- mck: This is editorial.
- 19:17:08 [carmacleod]
- carmacleod: I'll create a PR.
- 19:17:30 [Jemma]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2196
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- present+ bryan
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- present+ jamesn
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- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2195
- 19:22:28 [carmacleod]
- mck: 2196 seems like more of a tutorial. It's beyond the scope of the APG. Assign it to me, probably will close as won't fix.
- 19:23:55 [carmacleod]
- mck: 2195 needs a group discussion. Adding agenda label.
- 19:24:56 [Jemma]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2193
- 19:25:08 [Jemma]
- Listbox with Multiple Selection: "Recommended selection model" is uncommon #2193
- 19:27:16 [Jemma]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2192
- 19:28:43 [carmacleod]
- mck: For 2193, are they saying that the interaction is different from html select? Anyhow, this should be discussed in the group. Adding agenda label.
- 19:29:46 [Jemma]
- present+ curt
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- present+ siri
- 19:30:54 [carmacleod]
- mck: Can we move 2192 to aria?
- 19:31:41 [carmacleod]
- jamesn: why move to aria?
- 19:32:54 [carmacleod]
- mck: The question is "can we add aria-expanded to searchbox?" which is more a question for aria than apg
- 19:36:37 [carmacleod]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- setup and review agenda -- taken up [from Jemma]
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- zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3 -- ARIA 1.3 annotation -- taken up [from Jemma]
- 19:36:57 [MarkMcCarthy]
- that's why it went to 1 after 2
- 19:37:07 [carmacleod]
- zakim, close item 1
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- agendum 1, setup and review agenda, closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. ARIA 1.3 annotation [from Jemma]
- 19:37:12 [MarkMcCarthy]
- s/that's why it went to 1 after 2/
- 19:37:39 [Jemma]
- https://github.com/aleventhal/aria-annotations
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- https://codepen.io/aleventhal/full/VxByVK
- 19:39:02 [carmacleod]
- mck: Do we have an issue to write annotations examples?
- 19:39:34 [carmacleod]
- jamesn: There are separate issues open for each of the new roles, but TBH it's probably going to be a single pattern.
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- 19:40:33 [carmacleod]
- mck: Is there such a thing as a Pattern, to describe how to do annotations?
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- jamesn: I think there's a pattern
- 19:41:35 [carmacleod]
- jemma: There are example use cases in the explainer.
- 19:42:34 [carmacleod]
- mck: Is each use case a different pattern? How do we imagine people looking for annotations in the APG?
- 19:43:04 [carmacleod]
- carmacleod: It could be a separate section, like the landmarks section?
- 19:45:45 [carmacleod]
- mck: I like that, although we have discussed having a landmarks pattern at some point.
- 19:46:57 [carmacleod]
- Jemma: I think it's a matter of having a pattern that describes the various use cases.
- 19:47:52 [carmacleod]
- mck: I think the use cases for these new annotations roles are very different
- 19:48:41 [carmacleod]
- mck: So it's difficult to imagine a 1 or 2 sentence description that describes "annotations".
- 19:49:23 [Jemma]
- http://wai-aria-practices.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/patterns/
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- http://wai-aria-practices.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/patterns/feed/
- 19:49:52 [carmacleod]
- mck: We could maybe have a footnote-endnote-comment pattern.
- 19:50:11 [carmacleod]
- jamesn: Or maybe a "Document annotation" pattern
- 19:50:37 [carmacleod]
- mck: Maybe that does work
- 19:51:21 [Jemma]
- Web Content use cases
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- Document editor: suggestions, revisions, comments, footnotes and other authors present
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- Code editor: breakpoints, revision history, errors and warnings, code comments, etc.
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- Published content: attributions, footnotes and comments
- 19:51:46 [carmacleod]
- jamesn: We shouldn't make it too generic. Make something simple to start.
- 19:52:33 [carmacleod]
- jamesn: A simple example will help AT test whether they work with it.
- 19:52:47 [CurtBellew]
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- I need to run. Bye all.
- 19:53:13 [Jemma]
- we are "framing scoping original work of annotation"
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- s/framing scoping/framing and scoping
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- zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4 -- tab example -- taken up [from Jemma]
- 19:54:04 [carmacleod]
- mck: Ok, moving forward, lets create a pattern section called "Document annotations" to help us scope the work
- 19:56:30 [Jemma]
- group is taking about Carolyn's comment, https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2194#pullrequestreview-855814290
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- 20:02:49 [carmacleod]
- mck: I thought the pattern explicitly says not to use up/down in a horizontal tablist
- 20:03:05 [carmacleod]
- mck: Zoe brought that up, and we added it
- 20:04:17 [carmacleod]
- jongunderson: It's just the example that has up/down - the pattern is correct. I'll remove the up/down from the example.
- 20:04:31 [carmacleod]
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