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18:57:31 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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18:58:33 <Jemma> agenda+ Setup and review agenda
18:58:38 <Jemma> agenda?
18:58:53 <Jemma> zakim, clear agenda
18:58:53 <Zakim> agenda cleared
18:58:57 <Jemma> agenda?
18:59:10 <Jemma> agenda+ setup and review agenda
18:59:20 <Jemma> agenda+ APG issue triage
18:59:39 <Jemma> agenda+ ARIA 1.3 annotation
18:59:52 <Jemma> agenda+ tab example
19:00:35 <Jemma> agenda?
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19:05:05 <Jemma> zakim, next item
19:05:05 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- setup and review agenda -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:05:15 <Jemma> no update for the agenda
19:05:20 <Jemma> zakim, next item
19:05:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Jemma
19:05:35 <Jemma> zakim, take up item 2
19:05:35 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- APG issue triage -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:05:37 <carmacleod> scribe: carmacleod
19:05:56 <Jemma> https://github.com/search?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+created%3A%3E%3D2021-12-01+repo%3Aw3c%2Faria-practices&type=Issues
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19:06:58 <carmacleod> jemma: Let's do issue triage, like the ARIA WG does. We have 14 new open issues.
19:07:07 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2202
19:09:27 <carmacleod> carmacleod: This is something Michael C. has to do.
19:09:40 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2198
19:12:13 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2197
19:12:18 <carmacleod> mck: Add question and feedback labels, and it can be closed
19:12:50 <carmacleod> s/it can be/2198 can be
19:16:58 <carmacleod> mck: This is editorial.
19:17:08 <carmacleod> carmacleod: I'll create a PR.
19:17:30 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2196
19:19:02 <Jemma> present+ bryan
19:19:05 <Jemma> present+ jamesn
19:21:58 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2195
19:22:28 <carmacleod> mck: 2196 seems like more of a tutorial. It's beyond the scope of the APG. Assign it to me, probably will close as won't fix.
19:23:55 <carmacleod> mck: 2195 needs a group discussion. Adding agenda label.
19:24:56 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2193
19:25:08 <Jemma> Listbox with Multiple Selection: "Recommended selection model" is uncommon #2193
19:27:16 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2192
19:28:43 <carmacleod> mck: For 2193, are they saying that the interaction is different from html select? Anyhow, this should be discussed in the group. Adding agenda label.
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19:30:54 <carmacleod> mck: Can we move 2192 to aria?
19:31:41 <carmacleod> jamesn: why move to aria?
19:32:54 <carmacleod> mck: The question is "can we add aria-expanded to searchbox?" which is more a question for aria than apg
19:36:37 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
19:36:37 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- setup and review agenda -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:36:50 <Jemma> zakim, take up item 3
19:36:50 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- ARIA 1.3 annotation -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:36:57 <MarkMcCarthy> that's why it went to 1 after 2
19:37:07 <carmacleod> zakim, close item 1
19:37:07 <Zakim> agendum 1, setup and review agenda, closed
19:37:08 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:37:08 <Zakim> 3. ARIA 1.3 annotation [from Jemma]
19:37:12 <MarkMcCarthy> s/that's why it went to 1 after 2/
19:37:39 <Jemma> https://github.com/aleventhal/aria-annotations
19:37:49 <Jemma> https://codepen.io/aleventhal/full/VxByVK
19:39:02 <carmacleod> mck: Do we have an issue to write annotations examples?
19:39:34 <carmacleod> jamesn: There are separate issues open for each of the new roles, but TBH it's probably going to be a single pattern.
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19:40:33 <carmacleod> mck: Is there such a thing as a Pattern, to describe how to do annotations?
19:40:42 <carmacleod> jamesn: I think there's a pattern
19:41:35 <carmacleod> jemma: There are example use cases in the explainer.
19:42:34 <carmacleod> mck: Is each use case a different pattern? How do we imagine people looking for annotations in the APG?
19:43:04 <carmacleod> carmacleod: It could be a separate section, like the landmarks section?
19:45:45 <carmacleod> mck: I like that, although we have discussed having a landmarks pattern at some point.
19:46:57 <carmacleod> Jemma: I think it's a matter of having a pattern that describes the various use cases.
19:47:52 <carmacleod> mck: I think the use cases for these new annotations roles are very different
19:48:41 <carmacleod> mck: So it's difficult to imagine a 1 or 2 sentence description that describes "annotations".
19:49:23 <Jemma> http://wai-aria-practices.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/patterns/
19:49:31 <Jemma> http://wai-aria-practices.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/patterns/feed/
19:49:52 <carmacleod> mck: We could maybe have a footnote-endnote-comment pattern.
19:50:11 <carmacleod> jamesn: Or maybe a "Document annotation" pattern
19:50:37 <carmacleod> mck: Maybe that does work
19:51:21 <Jemma> Web Content use cases
19:51:21 <Jemma> Document editor: suggestions, revisions, comments, footnotes and other authors present
19:51:21 <Jemma> Code editor: breakpoints, revision history, errors and warnings, code comments, etc.
19:51:21 <Jemma> Published content: attributions, footnotes and comments
19:51:46 <carmacleod> jamesn: We shouldn't make it too generic. Make something simple to start.
19:52:33 <carmacleod> jamesn: A simple example will help AT test whether they work with it.
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19:52:59 <CurtBellew> I need to run.  Bye all.
19:53:13 <Jemma> we are "framing scoping original work of annotation"
19:53:44 <Jemma> s/framing scoping/framing and scoping
19:54:02 <Jemma> zakim, take up item 4
19:54:02 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- tab example -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:54:04 <carmacleod> mck: Ok, moving forward, lets create a pattern section called "Document annotations" to help us scope the work
19:56:30 <Jemma> group is taking about Carolyn's comment, https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2194#pullrequestreview-855814290
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20:02:49 <carmacleod> mck: I thought the pattern explicitly says not to use up/down in a horizontal tablist
20:03:05 <carmacleod> mck: Zoe brought that up, and we added it
20:04:17 <carmacleod> jongunderson: It's just the example that has up/down - the pattern is correct. I'll remove the up/down from the example.
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