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08:25:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> meeting: APA Personalization Task Force January 17th Meeting
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15:06:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, start meeting
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15:06:32 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger
15:06:50 <Roy> agenda?
15:06:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> meeting: APA Personalization Task Force January 17th Meeting
15:07:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe: Lionel
15:08:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:08:03 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Content Module Implementations Status (Follow-up on i18n issue #144) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:08:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: We have a zip file (the hummous recipe) to demonstrate the RTL and LTR switches will work well with Personalization's proposed <symbol> markup
15:09:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... The file has English and Hebrew
15:09:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and is marked up with appropriate symbols
15:09:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... We had in mind the Chrome extensions that Lisa previously
15:10:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... When we have it working we will send this with a cover note to i18n, and show them how to render the Hummous recipe
15:10:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the Chrome extension is parsing the page looking for an aui- prefix rather than data- ('data dash')
15:10:31 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
15:10:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the way forward, either change the chrome extension and change the code to parse for data-
15:11:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... or change the Hummous file data- to aui- (or whatever is required)
15:11:17 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Matthew_Atkinson
15:11:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: I have some updates to add
15:11:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: I changed the Hummous to aui- (since that was easiest)
15:11:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we noted a further issue
15:12:04 <becky> present+
15:12:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the mappings of symbol IDs to Symbols do not exist for all the concepts referenced in the Hummous Recipe
15:12:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
15:12:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Matt & Lisa met this morning and confirmed this issue
15:12:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the extension does enable some control of the mappings
15:13:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... We see a way forward
15:13:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... hard-code, etc
15:13:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... will take some time
15:13:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... THe chairs and the committee thank Lisa for her time this morning
15:14:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: The symbols are loaded in a separate file to enable more symbol choices by end-users
15:14:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... one use case, a user has a symbol file on their phone and another file on their computer
15:15:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the symbol file reference should be easily found
15:16:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: The extension could support a mapping of all symbols to Bliss, and the Personalization Content module would encourage such mappings
15:16:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
15:16:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: To clarify, the "Wikihow Cup of Tea" example works fine
15:17:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... The Hummous recipe did not have the proper markup (no aui- markup)
15:18:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: Janina to draft the email that we will send to i18n
15:18:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this email should bundle a procedure to allow the i18n folks to run the exatension
15:18:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... with a usage stipulation, that the extension is not meant for wide distribution
15:18:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I plan to clarify what is left to complete this week
15:20:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: I will put in the cover letter why the markup changed
15:22:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: The extension also renders "simplify"
15:22:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... along with Ayeleth's github, which is an open script that authors can serve on their page
15:22:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... offers a widget (overlay) approach
15:23:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: We demo on Ayeleth's script
15:24:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: We met with Bruce from Access Board this week and we are going ahead with the plan to mark up the
15:24:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Title: Online Architectural Barriers Act (ABA) Complaint Form
15:25:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... URL: https://cts.access-board.gov/formsiq/form.do?form_name=Complaint%20Form
15:25:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... which is stored in a git for open access in the ATBCB git
15:25:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... https://github.com/atbcb/usab-uswds/tree/master
15:26:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Might Google be interested in marking up something?
15:26:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:27:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:27:19 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Defining shortnames for the modules -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:27:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> 		Personalization: Content Module
15:28:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> 		Personalization: Help and Support Module
15:28:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> 		Personalization: Tools Module
15:29:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: If we rethinkg from a blank slate, the "help and support" is more about alternatives and support
15:29:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... there is a bit of ambiguity because the help icon is addressed in the Content Module
15:29:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... but alternatives isn't perfect, as symbols are also alternatives
15:29:38 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
15:29:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... but content is addressed in "help and support" as well
15:30:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... not sure these suggested names will help guide a newbie
15:30:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Help and Support is also about content
15:30:39 <janina> q+
15:30:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we may need to lean on the one sentence summary that we have written on the wiki regarding each module
15:30:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
15:31:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: The discussion was regarding whether we are providing semantics or alternative content
15:31:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the differentiation between semantics and alternative content seemed significant
15:32:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... these short names dont lose anything, and have a consistency, but it's worth thinking it through
15:32:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack: Matthew_Atkinson
15:32:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: The fact that we are on the brink of CR, the most important decision is to decide on the scheme, the pattern of these names
15:33:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we don't want to have to rename the modules
15:33:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... so we don't have to worry too much about the actual titles of the 2nd and 3rd modules, its the first module we need to nail, as well as the overall scheme
15:34:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I did check the original name, and the name was Personalization Semantics (no concept of three modules was present then)
15:35:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:36:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:36:04 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Lionel_Wolberger
15:36:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:36:31 <Roy> q?
15:36:40 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Matthew_Atkinson
15:36:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: When can COGA start brainstorming use cases for the upcoming modules
15:36:52 <Roy> ack ja
15:36:58 <Matthew_Atkinson> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:37:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1
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15:38:02 <Matthew_Atkinson> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:38:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: Someone from Personalization should give an overview of the module
15:38:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the call is on Thursdays
15:39:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel chuckles
15:40:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... allow the group to associate the conversation with the representative
15:40:33 <Roy> scribe- Lionel
15:40:43 <Roy> scribe+ Lionel_Wolberger
15:40:53 <Roy> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:41:14 <Roy> present+
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15:42:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> What is the role of COGA in curating and bringing our next module to CR
15:42:34 <Roy> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:43:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:43:35 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Planning COGA January meeting on Our Other Two Modules -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:43:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:43:39 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, Lionel_Wolberger
15:43:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close item 3
15:43:45 <Zakim> agendum 3, Planning COGA January meeting on Our Other Two Modules, closed
15:43:47 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:43:47 <Zakim> 4. What is the role of COGA in curating and bringing our next module to CR [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:43:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close item 4
15:43:54 <Zakim> agendum 4, What is the role of COGA in curating and bringing our next module to CR, closed
15:43:56 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:43:56 <Zakim> 5. Is the new W3C Registry Suitable for Bliss Symbol Lookup Functions? [from Lionel_Wolberger]
15:44:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: A note is something a WG says
15:44:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... a statement is something the W3C says, not just a WG
15:44:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... then there is a formal way to create a registry at w3c.org
15:45:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... for example, have an index number and a mapping to bliss symbols
15:45:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and discuss the details of how this registry would be defined (e.g., how many columns)
15:45:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the registry would support an API
15:45:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... in the case of the symbols, it would be far more useable than the PDF of symbols
15:45:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
15:46:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we would need others to be in that conversation
15:46:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and might need to consult with someone from Bliss
15:46:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we may need to re-examine the terms surrounding the Bliss symbols
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15:49:01 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+ LisaSeemanKest
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15:49:29 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+ janina
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