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14:49:59 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
14:50:00 <trackbot> Date: 14 January 2022
14:50:20 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0005
14:50:26 <Steven> Chair: Steven
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14:59:28 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
15:00:18 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2310: Summarise file read/write (Alain)
15:00:18 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0003
15:01:50 <Steven> Alain: Possible using a new API, not yet in all browsers. It is in Chromium-based browsers. File read and save, but no control over filename, but you can specify file types. Quite easy to implement, I have prototyped, and will be in the next release of XSLTForms.
15:02:02 <Steven> ... Choose a specific folder.
15:02:21 <Steven> ... Can't work out how to do delete method.
15:02:45 <Steven> ... not sure about the mediatype attribute, access would be appropriate.
15:03:47 <Steven> ... for Firefox and Safari, there is a possibility with input control with filetype to get a file picker.
15:04:18 <Steven> ... for writing, you can set filename, but not choose folder.
15:04:51 <Steven> ... it's a workaround for old browsers.
15:05:16 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2309: Research xpath3 function definitions
15:05:16 <Steven> [No link]
15:05:20 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2309: Research xpath3 function definitions
15:05:20 <Steven> [No link]
15:05:42 <Steven> Erik: In progress.
15:05:56 <Steven> Topic: submission/@value
15:05:56 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0002
15:06:42 <Steven> Steven: Is this somethign we forgot?
15:06:50 <Steven> s/gn/ng/
15:07:19 <Steven> Steven: So alongside ref?
15:07:40 <Steven> ... so what should the value be if we adopted it?
15:08:14 <Steven> Alain: Currently it always has to be a node to be serialised, this would allow us to write a computed value.
15:08:39 <Steven> Erik: We could do this with @ref couldn;t we? If @ref returns a string...
15:08:48 <Steven> Alain: The text says it has to be a node.
15:09:42 <Steven> Steven: So you are suggesting we could evaluate an expression and subit it.
15:09:45 <Steven> Alain: Yes
15:09:57 <Steven> Erik: @ref is an 'item'.
15:10:28 <Steven> ... So we could change what the text says the @ref must point to.
15:11:16 <Steven> ... For example <label @value/> isn't needed since <label @ref/> can do the same work.
15:12:01 <Alain> string(node)
15:12:21 <Steven> Alain: Because we would have to write string(node), it could be confusing.
15:12:32 <Steven> Erik: I see. It could depend on the use-case.
15:13:07 <Steven> ... I understand that @value might be clearer
15:13:33 <Steven> ... does @value always return a string?
15:14:00 <Steven> [looks at output/@value]
15:14:37 <Steven> Steven: I seem to remember we say somewhere that the string function is applied to the result, but I don;t remember where.
15:14:49 <Steven> Erik: It's a question of consistency.
15:14:58 <Alain> "The binding attributes of submission are evaluated; if the result is the empty sequence or an item other than an element or an instance document root node, submission fails with no-data"
15:15:06 <Steven> ... we (ORbeon) are more general with @value
15:15:13 <Steven> s/OR/Or/
15:15:53 <Steven> ... if we say that @value always returns a string, we can use that
15:16:23 <Steven> Alain: The current spec says that submission fails if it's not a node
15:17:12 <Steven> ACTION Steven to devise text for submission using @value
15:17:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2312 - Devise text for submission using @value [on Steven Pemberton - due 2022-01-21].
15:17:46 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2311: Create a document summarising the work to be done based
15:17:46 <Steven> on the list (Timescale plans) (Steven)
15:17:46 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/0004
15:18:00 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Jan/att-0004/2022-plans.html
15:19:05 <Steven> Steven: I think <control/> is the biggest piece of work, the rest are relatively small.
15:19:52 <Steven> ... I think the mirroring is the hardest to do.
15:21:29 <Steven> Steven: So basically that document is the agenda for next week.
15:21:37 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:22:01 <Steven> Steven: XML Prague is now in the Summer
15:22:40 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
15:22:52 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:22:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/14-forms-minutes.html Steven
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