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10:19:59 <kaz> meeting: WoT Architecture
10:20:18 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Sebastian_Kaebisch
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10:21:03 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Jan_13th.2C_2022
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10:24:24 <kaz> chair: Lagally
10:24:35 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
10:24:45 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
10:24:46 <sebastian> ML: shows the agenda
10:24:53 <kaz> i/shows/topic: Agenda/
10:25:12 <kaz> i|shows|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Jan_13th.2C_2022 agenda for today|
10:28:19 <sebastian> topic: minutes check from last meeting
10:28:35 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/2021/12/23-wot-arch-minutes.html
10:30:28 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
10:35:09 <sebastian> any comments, wishes, objections?
10:35:11 <sebastian> no
10:35:58 <kaz> approved
10:36:26 <sebastian> topic: new time slots
10:36:55 <kaz> -> https://doodle.com/poll/ht5q6rbzs7xcbtna?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link doodle for Architecture
10:36:58 <kaz> -> https://doodle.com/poll/ce9gh5zkqg6miiya?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link doodle for Profile
10:37:45 <sebastian> new time slot for Arch call will be every Wednesday 1pm, CET
10:37:53 <kaz> Main call RESOLUTION: profiles at 7am ET on Wed (one hour before main call) (chairs call will be moved an hour earlier), architecture will use only the second hour of the current slot, so will be at 6am ET on Thursday.
10:38:30 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html#r01 main call resolution
10:39:24 <mlagally__> UTC times: Profile call: each Wednesday, Noon 12:00
10:39:52 <mlagally__> Architecture: every Thursday, 11am UTC
10:40:52 <sebastian> ML: we can close the doodle polls
10:40:52 <sebastian> topic: Spec Alignment and Publication Blockers
10:41:06 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22spec+alignment%22
10:42:21 <sebastian> ML: uses case document should be reviewed and align terminology
10:42:21 <sebastian> ... also see https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/674
10:42:45 <kaz> q?
10:42:52 <kaz> q+ Ege
10:43:07 <sebastian> ML: what is the status about the Binding issue?
10:43:12 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/617
10:43:58 <kaz> i/what is/subtopic: 617/
10:44:00 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
10:44:24 <sebastian> Ege: there are some discussions about the media types
10:44:31 <kaz> s/617/617 Issue 617 - Review Chapter 8.7 in relation to Binding Templates 4.1/
10:44:38 <sebastian> ... should be not under the protocol binding section
10:44:50 <kaz> i/use case document should/subtopic: Issue 674/
10:45:04 <sebastian> ML: lets move section 8.7.3 to 8.8
10:45:22 <sebastian> Ege: agree
10:45:39 <kaz> ack e
10:46:02 <sebastian> ML: will create an issue --> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/675
10:48:43 <mlagally__> https://w3c.github.io/wot-binding-templates/#form-element
10:48:58 <kaz> i|agree|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/#media-types 8.7.3 Media Types
10:49:13 <kaz> i|agree|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/#sec-wot-servient-architecture-high-level 8.8 WoT System Components and their Interconnectivity|
10:49:27 <sebastian> Ege: Form elements in binding template should be removed or removed from the architecture
10:50:16 <sebastian> Ege: can be moved to the hypermedia section
10:52:26 <sebastian> ML: can you find a good place where to move to?
10:52:45 <sebastian> Ege: I can have a look --> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/675
10:54:33 <sebastian> s/https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/675/https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/676
10:54:54 <sebastian> s/https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/675 /https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/676
10:55:50 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
10:55:58 <kaz> rrsagennt, draft minutes
10:57:01 <kaz> s/rrsagennt, draft minutes//
10:57:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:57:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/13-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
10:57:45 <sebastian> ML is there additional terminology needed for binding spec?
10:57:45 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/614
10:57:46 <sebastian> s/ML/ML:
10:57:46 <sebastian> ML: we have already content type, should be enough
10:58:46 <sebastian> Ege: Im agree, people know content type very well. MIME Type is old name
10:59:09 <kaz> i/use cases document should/subtopic: Issue 674/
10:59:09 <sebastian> ML: close issue https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/612
10:59:36 <kaz> s/subtopic: 617/subtopic: Issue 617/
10:59:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:59:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/13-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
11:00:02 <kaz> s|i/use case document should/subtopic: Issue 674/||
11:00:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:00:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/13-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
11:02:42 <sebastian> ML: what is the status about the 'Relationship between "8.7 Protocol Bindings" and "9.5 WoT Binding Templates"'
11:02:48 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/608
11:03:18 <sebastian> new issue provided by Ben in protocol binding repo https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/143
11:04:23 <sebastian> ML: keep this issue open and revisit again
11:05:02 <sebastian> topic: PR contributions
11:05:15 <sebastian> also see https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pulls
11:05:38 <kaz> present+ Ben_Francis
11:06:14 <kaz> q+
11:06:47 <sebastian> ML: no time to review them all
11:06:48 <sebastian> ... lets do this next week
11:07:56 <sebastian> Sebastian: if there are PRs that was already agreed on in the calls we can directly merge without spending time again in the calls
11:08:37 <kaz> ack k
11:09:14 <kaz> s/-->//
11:09:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:09:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/13-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
11:09:28 <sebastian> ML merges PR https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/671
11:09:55 <sebastian> topic: WoT profile
11:10:39 <kaz> i/PR contribution/kaz: would remind we need to think about the updated schedule on spec alignment, publication blockers and other features/
11:10:56 <sebastian> ML recaps the requirements that were presented in a slide set
11:10:58 <kaz> i/PR contribution/ml: let's discuss that later as a separate agenda item/
11:11:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:11:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/13-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
11:11:31 <kaz> s/uses case document/use cases document/
11:11:46 <kaz> i/use cases document should/subtopic: Issue 674/
11:11:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:11:57 <kaz> q?
11:12:02 <kaz> q+
11:12:26 <kaz> ack k
11:12:47 <mlagally__> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/blob/main/contributions/2021-12-16-WoT-Profiles-discussion%2Brequirements%2BOOTBI.pdf
11:12:59 <kaz> s/-->//
11:13:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:13:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/13-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
11:13:16 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
11:13:22 <kaz> s/pdf/pdf Lagally's slides/
11:14:01 <kaz> s/lets/let's/
11:14:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:14:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/13-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
11:14:34 <kaz> i/would remind/scribenick: kaz/
11:14:48 <kaz> i/also see https/scribenick: sebastian/
11:14:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:15:55 <sebastian> ML: what does it mean oppose?
11:17:25 <sebastian> Ben: it's not saying that other people shouldn't have this requirement. in general, those requirements are more seen as goals.
11:19:39 <sebastian> Ben: we should focus on goals where is a consensus
11:21:36 <sebastian> ... there is also an issue about profile requirements: https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/156
11:21:58 <kaz> i|recaps the|subtopic: requirements|
11:22:02 <sebastian> ML: Cristiano's feedback should be updated in the slides as well in the next call
11:22:05 <benfrancis> q+
11:22:29 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/156 Issue 156 - Profile requirements|
11:22:43 <kaz> s/requirements|/requirements/
11:23:40 <sebastian> Ben: in last call you asked people to respond to the issue and you want to split this into lots of erperate issues. What's the purpose?
11:24:29 <sebastian> ML: I want to refine or rework on the requirements
11:24:51 <sebastian> s/erperate/seperate
11:25:30 <kaz> q?
11:25:33 <kaz> ack b
11:26:37 <sebastian> ML: lets ask Michael McCool again about the Ambiguities requirement which seems to oppose
11:27:59 <sebastian> s/which/which he
11:30:17 <sebastian> ML updates the MD file about the profile requirements https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/REQUIREMENTS/profile-requirements.md
11:34:17 <sebastian> ML: we should not exclude any protocols.
11:34:51 <benfrancis> q+
11:35:43 <sebastian> Sebastian: a profile should pre-define a specific protocol or a set protocols. in the second case it should be clear when to use the protocols in which cases.
11:35:59 <sebastian> s/cases/case
11:38:21 <sebastian> Ben: forms can have multiple protocols. Eg., http binding also have WebSocket protocol.
11:41:40 <sebastian> Sebastian: what happen if you have multiple forms with the same protocol like http. You don't know which belongs to the profile implementation.
11:52:31 <sebastian> ML records comments in the https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/REQUIREMENTS/profile-requirements.md
12:00:58 <kaz> q?
12:01:02 <kaz> ack b
12:01:21 <kaz> q+ to whisper we're at the top of the hour :)
12:03:34 <sebastian> :-)
12:04:29 <kaz> q-
12:07:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:08:02 <sebastian> I need to go
12:09:59 <kaz> s/I need to go/[adjourned]/
12:10:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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