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13:00:22 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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13:00:34 <kaz> chair: McCool/Sebastian
13:01:11 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#12_January_2022
13:01:28 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Tetsushi_Matsuda
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13:04:27 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:04:35 <McCool> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#12_January_2022
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13:06:15 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:06:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:06:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:06:47 <cris> topic: previous minutes
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13:07:16 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/12/22-wot-minutes.html Dec-22
13:08:19 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
13:08:53 <cris> mc: about use cases document we'll review today
13:09:00 <cris> ml: it should be ready to be published
13:09:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:09:49 <cris> mc: no issues with the minutes, minor format problems
13:09:49 <kaz> i/about use/scribenick: cris/
13:09:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:09:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:09:56 <cris> ... any other issues?
13:10:09 <cris> ... ok no objections, minutes approved
13:10:20 <cris> topic: Quick updates
13:10:41 <cris> mc: editor meeting we'll be rescheduled to
13:10:44 <kaz> q+
13:11:01 <cris> ... there was discussion about Architecture document
13:11:11 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura, Sebastian_Kaebisch
13:11:25 <cris> ... in particular about labelling PR
13:11:42 <cris> ml: yes we tried to identify which changes were critical
13:12:19 <cris> mc: we need also a way to summarize the changes, PR labelling will help in that direction.
13:12:32 <cris> q?
13:12:47 <cris> subtopic: Editor call new slot
13:13:11 <cris> ml: wot arch meeting will be split in two: Profile and Arch
13:13:20 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
13:13:24 <cris> ... then we can fit Profile after main call
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13:14:14 <kaz> s/Editor call/Architecture call/
13:14:28 <cris> ... about arch we discussed to use the current second hour of arch slot
13:15:01 <kaz> q?
13:15:17 <cris> ... for the editor call we'll move it three hours later
13:17:12 <McCool> proposal: profiles at 7am ET on Wed (one hour before main call) (chairs call will be moved an hour earlier), architecture will use only the second hour of the current slot, so will be at 6am ET on Thursday.
13:17:33 <McCool> resolution: profiles at 7am ET on Wed (one hour before main call) (chairs call will be moved an hour earlier), architecture will use only the second hour of the current slot, so will be at 6am ET on Thursday.
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13:19:17 <kaz> action: kaz to generate another doodle for the Editors call including 6ET
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13:20:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:20:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:20:10 <cris> topic: WoT Japanes CG updates
13:21:11 <cris> Mizushima: second kick off meeting, and gathering examples
13:21:22 <cris> mc: we should record this to the Events page
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13:21:35 <cris> topic: Smart cities updates
13:21:59 <cris> kaz: no many updates, but I am in contact with different organizations
13:22:20 <cris> topic: WoT Articles
13:22:22 <kaz> s/no many/not many/
13:22:42 <cris> mc: Sebastian found a new article about wot, we should keep track of it
13:23:02 <cris> ml: we also wrote a paper CNC Workshop
13:23:12 <cris> ... I gave a presentation yesterday
13:23:41 <kaz> s/I am in contact with different organizations/I'll work with the Smart Cities Steering Committee to get smart city stakeholders from Japan, China and Korea as the starting point./
13:24:05 <cris> mc: is there any link to the article
13:24:09 <cris> ml: not yet
13:24:22 <Mizushima> s/second kick off meeting, and gathering examples/The second kick-off meeting will be held on Jan 28th, and initial discussion on potential outreach events, for example for publishing industory has started/
13:24:28 <kaz> i|Sebastian found|-> https://www.iotforall.com/introduction-to-the-web-of-things Introduction to the Web of Things|
13:26:01 <McCool> https://whova.com/portal/webapp/ccnc1_202201/Agenda/2089060
13:26:21 <kaz> s/CNC /CCNC /
13:27:17 <cris> topic: IG recharting
13:27:44 <cris> mc: we need more support and the AC review is ongoing
13:27:50 <kaz> q+
13:28:06 <cris> topic: WG Charter Extesion
13:28:18 <kaz> ack k
13:28:36 <cris> kaz: 3 months extension
13:28:47 <kaz> q+
13:28:54 <cris> ml: probably we should also review the plan for the extension
13:29:05 <cris> ... updating with the lastest discussion
13:29:22 <cris> mc: we are already in the wide review process
13:29:28 <cris> ... not sure if we can
13:29:55 <cris> kaz: we should take extension and publication schedule separatly
13:29:58 <kaz> ack k
13:30:08 <kaz> s/take/think about/
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13:30:54 <cris> mc: probably is better to move some topics to the next charter
13:31:01 <kaz> s/kaz: 3 months extension/kaz: will ping PLH about the process. probably we need to ask W3M for 3mo extension as well to finalize the procedure./
13:31:14 <cris> ml: we are requesting one year extension but the plan covers only 6 months
13:31:21 <sebastian> q+
13:31:29 <kaz> q+
13:31:31 <Ege> q+
13:31:36 <cris> mc: I agree I think the current plan can be improved
13:32:44 <kaz> s/separately/separately, and discuss the updated publication schedule during the "Publications" topic later./
13:32:53 <kaz> q?
13:33:10 <kaz> q-
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13:34:35 <kaz> topic: Publications
13:35:40 <cris> mc: I looked in the process of wide review
13:36:00 <kaz> i/looked/subtopic: Wide reviews/
13:36:11 <cris> ... in December Ben provided a deep review of the TD doc
13:36:22 <kaz> i/December/subtopic: TD/
13:36:22 <cris> ... today we'll discuss about in the TD
13:36:35 <cris> seb: we did not have a resolution
13:36:46 <kaz> s/about/it/
13:37:51 <kaz> subtopic: Use Cases
13:38:11 <cris> kaz: call for resolution about Use Cases document
13:40:05 <McCool> proposal: publish the current editor's draft of the Use Cases and Requirements document as a updated IG Note, but also including small editorial changes resolving issues marked as "editorial" in the repo
13:40:49 <kaz> s/as a/as an/
13:40:56 <McCool> resolution: publish the current editor's draft of the Use Cases and Requirements document as an updated IG Note, but also including small editorial changes resolving issues marked as "editorial" in the repo
13:41:54 <cris> mc: when will the Call for Resolution for TD will happen?
13:41:56 <cris> seb: today
13:42:14 <cris> ... we are going to discuss also backward compatibility
13:42:17 <mlagally> ML: many thanks to all contributors, co-editors, W3C team contact for the good collaboration on the UC WG note
13:42:58 <kaz> subtopic: TD (revisitd)
13:43:25 <kaz> subtopic: Wide reviews (revisitd)
13:43:28 <cris> subtopic: Wide review process
13:43:48 <kaz> s/subtopic: Wide reviews (revisitd)//
13:44:07 <cris> mc: we have to fill a questionaire and reques a review via Github about accessibility
13:44:20 <cris> ... I'll do it
13:44:37 <cris> ... we need to do this for each deliverable
13:44:39 <kaz> i/Wide/mc: TD will discuss remaining issues and make the TF resolution today, then WG resolution during the main call next Wednesday. Is that OK?/
13:44:45 <kaz> i/Wide/sk: fine/
13:45:06 <cris> ... one note we have to identifying substantive changes
13:45:36 <kaz> i|we have to|-> https://www.w3.org/Guide/documentreview/#how_to_get_horizontal_review Wide review guide|
13:47:01 <cris> ... each document needs to have a privacy and security section updated
13:47:49 <cris> ... more discussion is needed for the core documents
13:47:59 <cris> ... every task force should start this process asap
13:48:32 <cris> q?
13:48:34 <dape> q?
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13:48:55 <sebastian> ack s
13:49:32 <cris> seb: we should start the wide review ASAP, it would take time to get the real review
13:49:56 <cris> in the meantime we can continue working on the documents
13:50:20 <cris> mc: we can figure out estimates about review
13:50:32 <kaz> s/in the/... in the/
13:50:34 <kaz> q
13:51:03 <cris> ... our homework is to define a list of changes and do the questionaire
13:51:12 <kaz> ack e
13:51:29 <kaz> q+
13:51:37 <cris> ege: regarding the schedule when is the feature freeze / deadlines?
13:52:20 <kaz> qq+ mlagally
13:52:29 <kaz> q- mlagally
13:52:31 <cris> ml: can you define feature?
13:52:56 <cris> mc: assertions is a good example of feature. They should be frozen
13:53:04 <cris> ... before review
13:53:28 <cris> ... or only adding new assertions if they are really essential
13:53:44 <kaz> s/assertions is a good example of feature/assertions are good examples of features/
13:54:01 <kaz> q?
13:54:03 <cris> q?
13:54:41 <cris> kaz: editors please look at the extension plan  document and provide feedback
13:54:47 <mlagally> q+
13:55:00 <kaz> ack k
13:55:19 <cris> ml: arch spec is not ready to be frozen
13:55:26 <kaz> s/provide feedback/update the schedule again/
13:56:15 <cris> kaz: we could update publication schedule considering the one year extension
13:56:27 <kaz> i|we could|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md extension plan|
13:57:02 <cris> mc: testing need feature freeze but we could test only discovery and TD
13:57:08 <cris> ... profile can have a dedicated a test fest
13:57:57 <cris> ml: is the TD feature frozen?
13:58:06 <cris> mc: there are few PR that changes assertions
13:58:33 <cris> seb: we need more discussion about PR first
13:58:45 <kaz> s/kaz: we could update publication schedule considering the one year extension/kaz: as I mentioned already, we should think about the WG Charter extension procedure and the publication schedule separately. WG Charter extension is already submitted to W3M and we're asking for 12mo extension. So we should think about our updated publication schedule within that period based on the current status./
13:58:55 <cris> topic: final highlights
13:59:00 <cris> mc: no testing call
13:59:27 <cris> ... ITU-T webinar, I'll send a calendar invite
13:59:36 <cris> ... IEEE is hosting an event too
13:59:43 <kaz> s/final highlights/Testing/
13:59:50 <kaz> s/... ITU/mc: ITU/
13:59:52 <cris> ... something is happing opc UA
13:59:58 <kaz> i/ITU/topic: Liaisons/
14:00:02 <cris> seb: I'm finalizing the discussion
14:00:14 <kaz> s/opc/OPC/
14:00:42 <cris> ... they have a multi organization agreement
14:01:00 <cris> ... this is something that the legal department need to fill
14:01:05 <kaz> q+
14:01:16 <kaz> q- ml
14:01:37 <kaz> q-
14:01:51 <kaz> s/fill/fill in/
14:01:51 <cris> ... it is now up to w3c management/legal
14:01:55 <cris> ... department
14:02:07 <cris> s/department/contacts/
14:02:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:02:42 <cris> mc: possible next charter topics about geospatial
14:03:36 <cris> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9296826
14:03:42 <cris> https://ccnc2022.ieee-ccnc.org/workshop/iiwot22
14:03:54 <kaz> s|it is now up to w3c management/legal|the liaison message should go to the W3C Liaison Team (at team-liaisons@w3.org)|
14:04:03 <kaz> s/... contacts//
14:04:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:04:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:05:18 <kaz> i/ieee/topic: AOB/
14:07:05 <kaz> i/ieee/ca: UNIBO also presented at the IEEE workshop./
14:07:33 <kaz> i/ieee/ml: please invite your colleagues to the next Use Cases call on Jan 25./
14:07:40 <kaz> i/ieee/ml: will do./
14:07:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:07:56 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:08:01 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:08:05 <kaz> s/[adjourned]//
14:08:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:08:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:09:23 <kaz> i/UNIBO/scribenick: kaz/
14:09:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:09:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:10:20 <kaz> i/TD will discuss/scribenick: kaz/
14:10:28 <kaz> i/we have to fill/scribennick: cris/
14:10:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:10:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:11:14 <kaz> i/many thanks to all/scribenick: mlagally/
14:11:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:11:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:11:36 <kaz> i/we have to fill/scribenick: cris/
14:11:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:11:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:12:00 <kaz> s/scribennick: cris//
14:12:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:12:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
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