IRC log of pronunciation on 2022-01-12
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- Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 12 January 2022
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- Agenda+ Github Issues
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- Agenda+ Other Business
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- Chair: Paul Grenier
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- scribe: IrfanA
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from IrfanA]
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- janina: we have new APA chair
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Action Items [from IrfanA]
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- agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from IrfanA]
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- PaulG: summary from last week- discussion from ARIA working group and response. They have own proposal and we had to update our gap-analysis document based upon that. Markku have updated our gap-analysis documents.
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- https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/gap-analysis_and_use-case/#gap-analysis
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- https://www.canofworms.com/triple-homonyms.html
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- http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/mhakkinen/pronounce/main/pro-gap-update.html
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- janina: just to challenge ARIA, I found this page of triple-homonyms
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- janina: I will keep looking for more examples
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- PaulG: We discussed the recent alternative, dictionary-based, proposal by some of the UA vendors [1] and that this doesn't address some of the key areas highlighted in the gap analysis [2]. We talked about ways that the TF hopes to productively continue this discussion including
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- ack j
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- janina: one of the thing that we are exposing here that aria is focus too much on the user-agent but meanwhile they are complicating the process. we already talked about multiple 'lang' which doesn't help very much
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- janina: they are looking for easy win to get this rolling which is a sensible approach but then what? It could be far more complicated process because extensibility is important for long journey.
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- PaulG: our roadmap is where ARIA need to focus and understand why are we doing this.
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- janina: may be we can ask them to go ahead with implementing part of it and not all of once.
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- ack mhakkinen
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- mhakkinen: I have updated gap-analysis document. I want clear whether it can also play a substitution role.
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- PaulG: it can be little hacky though
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- mhakkinen: I think sub only goes to synthesizer
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- PaulG: but it is an improvement with the section 3.
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- mhakkinen: in the proposed document, I have added new column called aria-pronounce.
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- mhakkinen: I did not want to edit the main 'gap-analysis' document so I kept it separate stand alone document. If we bring it to main document then we have to provide the old document link.
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- mhakkinen: we have some examples in this document
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- https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation
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- https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/gap-analysis/#gap-analysis
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- mhakkinen: I excerpted the table from the published Pronunciation Gap Analysis and Use Cases draft and created a standalone document
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- agendum 3 -- Github Issues -- taken up [from IrfanA]
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- PaulG: we have one new issue from Roman. https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/103
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- https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/103
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- s/Roman/michael-roe
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- PaulG: The current spec isn't clear if data-ssml-say-as-format="cardinal" can be applied to Roman numerals, or if we need a new format to handle Roman numerals.
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- PaulG: I think sub, say-as, pronounce is the way to address this. we still owe response to some tickets.
- 15:29:49 [janina]
- Trying again: https://people.sc.fsu.edu/~jburkardt/fun/wordplay/multinyms.html
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- Dee: the term is heteronym to identify the right use cases
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- SteveNoble_: some times homograph is also used for the same definition
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- https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/100
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- agendum 4 -- Other Business -- taken up [from IrfanA]
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- mhakkinen: ATIA conference is still on and at this point I am going in person with Peter Ramsdel from textHelp.
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- mhakkinen: as soon as we have some more details, will share this with the group. we have done this presentation number of times.
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/01/12-pronunciation-minutes.html IrfanA
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