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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 05 January 2022

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present+

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chair: jasonjgw

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agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.

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agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.

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agenda+ Accessibility of remote Meetings.

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agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.

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agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.

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present+

14:03:39 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:04:00 [janina]

present+

14:04:17 [Joshue108]

JW: To be deferred till Scott gets back

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scribe: Joshue108

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JW: Public working draft published

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We have comments by John Rochford related to honeypots

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https://github.com/w3c/captcha-accessibility/issues

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JW: John also referred to new SC in WCAG 2.2 on accessible authentication

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https://github.com/w3c/captcha-accessibility/issues/11

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JW: I've responded

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JW: Final point is around conversations on what our conclusions should be in revised CAPTCHA note

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We should continue via email when Scott is available

14:08:21 [Joshue108]

Did I miss anything

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q?

14:09:13 [Joshue108]

JS: You didn't miss anything, but I suggest you merge your changes on the honey pots - and that we do not point to the new SC, as WCAG 2.2 is not yet a CR.

14:09:47 [Joshue108]

I'm surprised how we did not address the automated part of CAPTCHA.

14:10:07 [Joshue108]

We use the term interactive 5 times, before we mention automation

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We need to rectify that.

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JS: Our goal is to kill CAPTCHA

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We have a basis, a la Cloudflare implementation etc - to move the burden of authentication off the user etc

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<Riffs on surprise a la missing automation>

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JW: Reflects on original paper on CAPTCHA proposal

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JS: Would like to find that - we need to address this.

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agenda?

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JS: Janina has proposed shifting the burden of responsibility etc

14:13:11 [Joshue108]

Multiple mechanisms to prove humanity would be a good thing

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JW: We can pick this up on next week

14:14:17 [jasonjgw]

Josh: we should note the "completely automated" point but not emphasize it too much.

14:14:54 [Joshue108]

JW: It will be interesting to look back at the original paper and concept

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JW: I'll merge changes on the honeypot section

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JS: Would like to get John Rochford involved in discussion here.

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JW: Will continue dialog via email.

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Final thoughts?

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JW: Congrats to all

14:17:20 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:18:08 [Joshue108]

JW: Steve had proposed some changes and is still working on that. Any update?

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SN: We are down to just five issues in GH

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SN: This is the most substantial issue IMO SAUR Subtitle/Caption synchronisation #248

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https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/248

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I need to word smith on this section - Nigel is away at the mo, and I want to run a new version by him to address his concerns.

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Most of the other issues are pretty minor and can be closed

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SN: This can be closed https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/229

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Claims about ASR accuracy #229

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SN: This can also be closed Are there synchronization-related needs specific to XR/immersive environments that should be addressed? #211

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https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/211

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JW: We haven't gotten any comments on this yet.

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JS: Do we know if the Immersive Captions group is aware of this?

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JOC: I can ping the list and ask them.

14:23:32 [Joshue108]

JS: ok

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JS: We want Nigel to be happy with this doc

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SN: Indeed

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JW: The only other issue is if we want summary, or conclusions with advice for implementors

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We can address this before next draft

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JW: Lets revisit

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SN: In two weeks would be good

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JW: Other suggestions?

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SN: What about the biblio?

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JW: Done now, Josh did a lot of work on it

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I've also added

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If Steve can review?

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JW: I can merge it, will make it easier to review

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Small editorial changes needed

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JW: Anyone object to me merging?

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SN: What formats are used in W3C?

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JW: They use that format used for citing specs, and isn't a proper Bibliography format.

14:29:41 [Joshue108]

JW: We should see another draft, then that will be it before transition to publication

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JS: I think we will get to this before some other docs, should we ask Timed Text if they would like to publish this jointly.

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Also if it is valuable enough to be a W3C statement?

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JW: Agreed.

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JS: Hopefully ready by Feb

14:32:11 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- Accessibility of remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:32:43 [Joshue108]

JW: I suggest we wait till Scott is back

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He does want to respond to open issues

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https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/remote-meetings

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JS: I'm making sure we are addressing COGA comments

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JW: We got good comments at TPAC, and need to work on these, discuss details etc

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JS: We will need to meet with COGA

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JW: Also a la Natural Language Interfaces

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JW: FInal comments?

14:35:22 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:35:51 [Joshue108]

JW: We have a list of COGA comments

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and issue of the new paper that we discussed on Chatbot a11y etc

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NAUR issues https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/NAUR

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We will all chip in

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q+ to talk about publishing schedule

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ack me

14:38:56 [Zakim]

Joshue, you wanted to talk about publishing schedule

14:40:34 [Joshue108]

JOC: I'll walk through the issues on NAUR and report back on what would be a good timeline.

14:40:54 [jasonjgw]

Josh will review the issues, including COGA TF comments and report back next week.

14:42:38 [Joshue108]

JW: We can make a clearer projection of timelines etc after Joshs review

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JS: final thoughts?

14:42:45 [jasonjgw]

zakim, next item

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agendum 5 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:43:18 [Joshue108]

JS: I'm not sure Steve knows, but we have a new co-chair in APA.

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Becky has stepped down and W3C have nominated Matthew Tylee Atkinson

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JS: I'm very happy

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JS: Becky will continue to be involved

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JS: Good news

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JW: Not much more from me.

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