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13:40:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:40:13 <trackbot> Date: 05 January 2022
13:40:26 <jasonjgw> present+
13:40:37 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:40:54 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA.
13:40:54 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
13:40:54 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of remote Meetings.
13:40:54 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
13:40:54 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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14:03:39 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:03:39 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:04:00 <janina> present+
14:04:17 <Joshue108> JW: To be deferred till Scott gets back
14:04:28 <Joshue108> scribe: Joshue108
14:04:38 <Joshue108> JW: Public working draft published
14:04:55 <Joshue108> We have comments by John Rochford related to honeypots
14:05:32 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/captcha-accessibility/issues
14:06:21 <Joshue108> JW: John also referred to new SC in WCAG 2.2 on accessible authentication
14:06:21 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/captcha-accessibility/issues/11
14:06:48 <Joshue108> JW: I've responded
14:08:02 <Joshue108> JW: Final point is around conversations on what our conclusions should be in revised CAPTCHA note
14:08:12 <Joshue108> We should continue via email when Scott is available
14:08:21 <Joshue108> Did I miss anything
14:08:23 <Joshue108> q?
14:09:13 <Joshue108> JS: You didn't miss anything, but I suggest you merge your changes on the honey pots - and that we do not point to the new SC, as WCAG 2.2 is not yet a CR.
14:09:47 <Joshue108> I'm surprised how we did not address the automated part of CAPTCHA.
14:10:07 <Joshue108> We use the term interactive 5 times, before we mention automation
14:10:13 <Joshue108> We need to rectify that.
14:10:30 <Joshue108> JS: Our goal is to kill CAPTCHA
14:11:00 <Joshue108> We have a basis, a la Cloudflare implementation etc - to move the burden of authentication off the user etc
14:11:34 <Joshue108> <Riffs on surprise a la missing automation>
14:11:55 <Joshue108> JW: Reflects on original paper on CAPTCHA proposal
14:12:11 <Joshue108> JS: Would like to find that - we need to address this.
14:12:31 <Joshue108> agenda?
14:12:55 <Joshue108> JS: Janina has proposed shifting the burden of responsibility etc
14:13:11 <Joshue108> Multiple mechanisms to prove humanity would be a good thing
14:13:34 <Joshue108> JW: We can pick this up on next week
14:14:17 <jasonjgw> Josh: we should note the "completely automated" point but not emphasize it too much.
14:14:54 <Joshue108> JW: It will be interesting to look back at the original paper and concept
14:15:39 <Joshue108> JW: I'll merge changes on the honeypot section
14:16:45 <Joshue108> JS: Would like to get John Rochford involved in discussion here.
14:17:03 <Joshue108> JW: Will continue dialog via email.
14:17:09 <Joshue108> Final thoughts?
14:17:18 <Joshue108> JW: Congrats to all
14:17:20 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:17:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:18:08 <Joshue108> JW: Steve had proposed some changes and is still working on that. Any update?
14:18:19 <Joshue108> SN: We are down to just five issues in GH
14:19:00 <Joshue108> SN: This is the most substantial issue IMO SAUR Subtitle/Caption synchronisation #248
14:19:04 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/248
14:19:36 <Joshue108> I need to word smith on this section - Nigel is away at the mo, and I want to run a new version by him to address his concerns.
14:19:57 <Joshue108> Most of the other issues are pretty minor and can be closed
14:21:34 <Joshue108> SN: This can be closed https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/229
14:21:41 <Joshue108> Claims about ASR accuracy #229
14:22:14 <Joshue108> SN: This can also be closed Are there synchronization-related needs specific to XR/immersive environments that should be addressed? #211
14:22:18 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/211
14:22:57 <Joshue108> JW: We haven't gotten any comments on this yet.
14:23:18 <Joshue108> JS: Do we know if the Immersive Captions group is aware of this?
14:23:30 <Joshue108> JOC: I can ping the list and ask them.
14:23:32 <Joshue108> JS: ok
14:24:19 <Joshue108> JS: We want Nigel to be happy with this doc
14:24:21 <Joshue108> SN: Indeed
14:24:55 <Joshue108> JW: The only other issue is if we want summary, or conclusions with advice for implementors
14:25:06 <Joshue108> We can address this before next draft
14:25:16 <Joshue108> JW: Lets revisit
14:25:21 <Joshue108> SN: In two weeks would be good
14:25:31 <Joshue108> JW: Other suggestions?
14:25:44 <Joshue108> SN: What about the biblio?
14:26:06 <Joshue108> JW: Done now, Josh did a lot of work on it
14:26:10 <Joshue108> I've also added
14:26:27 <Joshue108> If Steve can review?
14:26:45 <Joshue108> JW: I can merge it, will make it easier to review
14:27:41 <Joshue108> Small editorial changes needed
14:27:50 <Joshue108> JW: Anyone object to me merging?
14:28:20 <Joshue108> SN: What formats are used in W3C?
14:28:44 <Joshue108> JW: They use that format used for citing specs, and isn't a proper Bibliography format.
14:29:41 <Joshue108> JW: We should see another draft, then that will be it before transition to publication
14:30:09 <Joshue108> JS: I think we will get to this before some other docs, should we ask Timed Text if they would like to publish this jointly.
14:30:21 <Joshue108> Also if it is valuable enough to be a W3C statement?
14:30:24 <Joshue108> JW: Agreed.
14:32:01 <Joshue108> JS: Hopefully ready by Feb
14:32:11 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:32:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Accessibility of remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:32:43 <Joshue108> JW: I suggest we wait till Scott is back
14:32:52 <Joshue108> He does want to respond to open issues
14:32:52 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/remote-meetings
14:33:21 <Joshue108> JS: I'm making sure we are addressing COGA comments
14:34:27 <Joshue108> JW: We got good comments at TPAC, and need to work on these, discuss details etc
14:34:53 <Joshue108> JS: We will need to meet with COGA
14:35:06 <Joshue108> JW: Also a la Natural Language Interfaces
14:35:13 <Joshue108> JW: FInal comments?
14:35:22 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:35:22 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:35:51 <Joshue108> JW: We have a list of COGA comments
14:36:06 <Joshue108> and issue of the new paper that we discussed on Chatbot a11y etc
14:36:22 <Joshue108> NAUR issues https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/NAUR
14:38:29 <Joshue108> We will all chip in
14:38:50 <Joshue108> q+ to talk about publishing schedule
14:38:56 <Joshue108> ack me
14:38:56 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to talk about publishing schedule
14:40:34 <Joshue108> JOC: I'll walk through the issues on NAUR and report back on what would be a good timeline.
14:40:54 <jasonjgw> Josh will review the issues, including COGA TF comments and report back next week.
14:42:38 <Joshue108> JW: We can make a clearer projection of timelines etc after Joshs review
14:42:43 <Joshue108> JS: final thoughts?
14:42:45 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:42:45 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Miscellaneous topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:43:18 <Joshue108> JS: I'm not sure Steve knows, but we have a new co-chair in APA.
14:43:39 <Joshue108> Becky has stepped down and W3C have nominated Matthew Tylee Atkinson
14:43:47 <Joshue108> JS: I'm very happy
14:43:57 <Joshue108> JS: Becky will continue to be involved
14:44:00 <Joshue108> JS: Good news
14:44:23 <Joshue108> JW: Not much more from me.
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