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16:01:36 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
16:01:37 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
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16:01:42 <pchampin> meeting: RDF-star
16:01:44 <rivettp> present+
16:01:49 <gatemezing> Hello all
16:01:55 <pchampin> agenda: ttps://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star/2021Dec/0079.html
16:01:55 <agendabot> pchampin, sorry, could not get ttps://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star/2021Dec/0079.html (code 501).
16:01:58 <pchampin> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star/2021Dec/0079.html
16:01:58 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:01:58 <agendabot> agenda+ Announcements and newcomers
16:01:58 <agendabot> agenda+ Open actions
16:01:58 <agendabot> agenda+ Publishing a final report
16:01:58 <agendabot> agenda+ WG chartering
16:02:00 <agendabot> agenda+ Open-ended discussions
16:02:01 <gatemezing> present+
16:02:02 <pchampin> present+
16:02:05 <olaf> I will be running some minutes late
16:02:08 <pchampin> chair: pchampin
16:02:33 <pchampin> Previous meeting: https://w3c.github.io/rdf-star/Minutes/2021-12-03.html
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16:03:21 <fabio_vitali> present+
16:03:51 <gkellogg> present+
16:04:13 <AndyS> present+
16:04:49 <pchampin> zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:49 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose fabio_vitali
16:05:01 <fabio_vitali> No you do not want me
16:05:02 <fabio_vitali> :-)
16:05:39 <AndyS> I can scribe
16:05:49 <AndyS> scribe: AndyS
16:06:52 <pchampin> zakim, open next agendum
16:06:52 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements and newcomers -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:08:23 <AndyS> pchampin: out of date implementations removed - rust one updated
16:11:01 <AndyS> gkellogg: changes to test URIs.
16:12:22 <pchampin> https://twitter.com/MarcelOttoDE/status/1470355460117123074
16:12:27 <pchampin> q?
16:12:50 <pchampin> zakim, next agendum
16:12:50 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Open actions -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:12:57 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Aaction
16:13:19 <pchampin> -> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star/issues/222 update RDF* paper on arXiv
16:14:08 <AndyS> pchampin: Olaf updated the RDF* paper.
16:14:12 <AndyS> ... action done
16:14:22 <pchampin> q?
16:14:38 <pchampin> zakim, next agendum
16:14:38 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Publishing a final report -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:15:48 <AndyS> pchampin: Has a more formal standing as "final"
16:16:03 <AndyS> ... license is slightly different.
16:16:15 <AndyS> ... authors will be contacted to agree
16:16:24 <AndyS> ... report copied to W3C website
16:16:44 <AndyS> ... needs CG RDF-DEV action (DanBri)
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16:17:28 <pchampin> -> https://www.w3.org/community/about/process/final/ Final specification agreement
16:17:33 <Doerthe> present+
16:17:46 <olaf> present+
16:18:00 <AndyS> ... 2 decisions : publish as is ; publish as final report
16:18:03 <pchampin> q?
16:18:42 <olaf> Apologies for being late!
16:19:46 <pchampin> PROPOSED: publish a new version of the CG report, as a 'final report'
16:19:48 <pchampin> +1
16:19:54 <gkellogg> +1
16:19:55 <fabio_vitali> +1
16:19:56 <AndyS> +1
16:20:01 <TallTed> +1
16:20:02 <gatemezing> +1
16:20:04 <Doerthe> +1
16:20:18 <olaf> +1 (and another +1 from Ora who sends his regrets for today)
16:20:24 <rivettp> +1
16:20:25 <AndyS> q+
16:20:32 <pchampin> RESOLVED: publish a new version of the CG report, as a 'final report'
16:20:51 <olaf> Yay!
16:20:58 <fabio_vitali> congratulations!
16:21:38 <AndyS> tallted: we can still respond with issues and PRs
16:21:48 <AndyS> pchampin: yes - not immutable
16:21:54 <pchampin> q?
16:21:59 <pchampin> ack AndyS
16:22:01 <pchampin> scribe+
16:22:40 <pchampin> AndyS: this does apply also to the tests?
16:22:51 <pchampin> gkellogg: no, the tests are independant
16:23:50 <fabio_vitali> I did very little
16:24:03 <rivettp> was I listed?
16:24:24 <fabio_vitali> I will be honored
16:24:34 <rivettp> yes, please list me
16:25:20 <fabio_vitali> so yes, please list me
16:25:36 <fabio_vitali> Fabio Vitali
16:25:47 <pchampin> q?
16:25:48 <fabio_vitali> Department of Computer Science, University of Bologna
16:26:00 <pchampin> zakim, next agendum
16:26:00 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- WG chartering -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:26:20 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/
16:26:35 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues
16:27:00 <pchampin> -> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/2 RDF/XML
16:27:15 <AndyS> pchampin: RDF/XML - mark as optional work
16:27:55 <AndyS> ... a few people have expressed interest in doing the work.
16:28:32 <gatemezing> q+
16:28:40 <fabio_vitali> q+
16:28:40 <pchampin> ack gatemezing
16:29:33 <AndyS> gatemezing: is there a way to phrase the feedback/interest in RDF/XML.
16:30:13 <AndyS> pchampin: will have "update that doc if WG has time/volunteers to do the work"
16:30:22 <pchampin> ack fabio_vitali
16:31:03 <AndyS> fabio_vitali: wondering about RDF-star and named graphs
16:31:38 <pchampin> q?
16:32:09 <AndyS> pchampin: spec allows quoted triples in named graphs
16:32:27 <AndyS> ... abstract syntax covers graphs and datasets
16:33:23 <AndyS> q+
16:33:35 <pchampin> ack AndyS
16:34:14 <pchampin> AndyS: star-bit aside, named graphs in RDF are just containers
16:34:41 <pchampin> ... if you want to add a vocabulary, you can
16:34:57 <pchampin> ... but that adds assumptions that are not shared by everyone using named graphs
16:35:45 <pchampin> q?
16:35:56 <pchampin> scribe-
16:36:01 <pchampin> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-datasets/
16:37:02 <Doerthe> q+
16:37:07 <pchampin> ack Doerthe
16:37:09 <pchampin> q+
16:38:02 <AndyS> doerthe: important but rather broad to tackle here the moment (c.f. N3)
16:38:10 <pchampin> ack pchampin
16:38:41 <fabio_vitali> Thanks Dörthe
16:39:18 <AndyS> pchampin: our spec refers to note about RDF datasets semantics from RDF 1.1.
16:40:23 <AndyS> ... let's not make it requirement for the WG
16:40:57 <pchampin> scribe+
16:41:16 <pchampin> AndyS: WG have a history of not strictly sticking to their charter
16:41:31 <pchampin> ... I'm nervous about mentioning it in the charter; may give too high expectations
16:41:41 <pchampin> ... And anyway I would be suprised if it didn't come up
16:42:18 <pchampin> q?
16:42:28 <fabio_vitali> I think it is an inteersting + appropriate topic for this specific Wg. I would be surprised if it was proposed by some other ones
16:42:41 <pchampin> -> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/3 WG practice
16:43:14 <AndyS> pchampin: F2F meetings
16:43:28 <AndyS> ... reflect the "new normal"
16:43:29 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/pull/4
16:43:51 <pchampin> q?
16:44:58 <gatemezing> I don't understand the concept of "synchronize meeting"
16:47:35 <pchampin> q?
16:48:04 <pchampin> -> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/5 "guideline for added features"
16:48:14 <olaf> Have to leave early today. I wish everyone nice and relaxing holidays!
16:48:48 <gatemezing> Enjoy olaf !
16:49:03 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/pull/7
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16:49:52 <pchampin> q?
16:51:02 <AndyS> pchampin: CSVW and others
16:51:03 <pchampin> -> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/6 CSVW
16:51:35 <AndyS> ... RDFa
16:52:09 <AndyS> ... do not envisage separate WGs for these
16:52:20 <AndyS> ... may be a lot of work
16:52:34 <AndyS> ... AC and W3C mgt may be concerned
16:52:45 <AndyS> ... (advice from IvanH)
16:53:29 <AndyS> ... idea: plan for recharting as it becomes clear what docs may be touched.
16:53:45 <pchampin> q?
16:53:52 <gatemezing> q+
16:53:56 <pchampin> ack gatemezing
16:56:32 <pchampin> q?
16:57:36 <gatemezing> The group will probably upgrade the current SemWeb stack  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web_Stack
16:58:20 <AndyS> gkellogg: work on RDFa (is there an active CG?) could be done by WG
16:58:56 <AndyS> ... something for the recharter point?
16:59:05 <pchampin> action: pchampin to implement Ivan Herman's proposal as described in https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/6#issuecomment-986801681
17:00:05 <pchampin> -> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/issues/10 liaisons
17:00:14 <AndyS> 17:00+00:00
17:00:55 <pchampin> q?
17:01:29 <AndyS> pchampin: Next meeting -- 7th Jan.
17:01:35 <rivettp> +1 for 7 Jan
17:01:53 <gatemezing> Thanks all, and thanks the chairs
17:02:01 <AndyS> Bye!
17:02:01 <fabio_vitali> Ciao! Have a nice end-of-year period!
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