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13:01:15 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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13:01:24 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura
13:04:26 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Tetsushi_Matsuda
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13:06:52 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:07:10 <kaz> scribenick: dape
13:07:41 <dape> TOPIC: Previous minutes
13:08:01 <dape> -> Dec-8 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/12/08-wot-minutes.html
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13:10:32 <dape> MMC: Correction: Farshid works on EdgeX and not for
13:10:40 <dape> Kaz: fixed
13:10:46 <dape> MMC: Minutes approved
13:10:46 <kaz> present+ ryuichi_Matsukura, Michael_Lagally
13:10:53 <dape> TOPIC: Quick updates
13:11:01 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Editors' sync-up call on Tuesday
13:11:03 <kaz> q+
13:11:15 <dape> ML: talked about scripting and use-cases
13:11:33 <dape> ... call them "Developer use cases"
13:12:04 <dape> MMC: use-cases are quite broad
13:12:22 <dape> ... "Developer examples" ?
13:12:42 <dape> ML: rather "Deployment"
13:12:48 <kaz> s/call them/proposal to call them/
13:13:05 <dape> ... w.r.t. Profile
13:13:29 <dape> ... see PDF
13:13:49 <dape> ... Dave is one author
13:13:57 <McCool> https://european-iot-pilots.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/D06_02_WP06_H2020_CREATE-IoT_Final.pdf
13:14:03 <dape> ... talks about interoperability
13:14:04 <kaz> s/one author/one of the authors/
13:14:25 <dape> ... currently profile looks at technical interoperability
13:15:12 <dape> Kaz: /* back to use-cases, will talk with PLH */
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13:15:49 <dape> SUBTOPIC: OPC-UA
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13:15:54 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_Koster
13:16:09 <kaz> ack k
13:16:17 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:16:19 <dape> SK: We had meeting with Jeff 2-3 weeks ago
13:16:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:16:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:16:38 <dape> ... talked about ideas how we can work together
13:17:01 <dape> ... Jeff was okay with that
13:17:10 <kaz> chair: McCool/Sebastian
13:17:33 <kaz> q+
13:17:40 <dape> ... IF we want to have more impact... we should work on a stronger partnership
13:18:03 <kaz> present- ryuichi_Matsukura
13:18:06 <dape> ... I think currently the liaison statement seem enough to me
13:18:08 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
13:18:18 <dape> s/seem enough/seems enough
13:18:45 <dape> ... IF there is more interest, we can think about new partnership
13:18:49 <McCool> q?
13:19:30 <mlagally_> q+
13:19:42 <dape> Kaz: I agree with the reasoning
13:19:51 <dape> ... we should start with basic discussion
13:20:09 <dape> ... can also involve OPC-UA people in PlugFest
13:20:50 <dape> MMC: At this point we should do our homework
13:20:59 <kaz> ack k
13:21:16 <dape> ML: industrial use-cases are important
13:21:36 <dape> ... joint action-plan/vision would be desirable
13:21:55 <dape> .. should work on requirements and a plan
13:22:30 <dape> MMC: We can do it informally
13:22:46 <dape> ... should do it more structurally
13:22:54 <dape> ... develop drafts
13:23:00 <dape> ... joint standard is a next step
13:23:15 <dape> ML: We need 2 documents
13:23:28 <dape> ... 1 on OPC side and 1 one our side
13:24:10 <dape> MMC: We need to look at the scope also
13:24:11 <mlagally_> ... these documents need to be synchronized, coordianted
13:24:32 <mlagally_> s/coordianted/coordinated/
13:24:32 <dape> SK: Agree with structured overview proposal
13:24:59 <dape> ... should do that together with OPC-UA
13:25:09 <kaz> q+
13:25:12 <kaz> ack ml
13:25:15 <dape> ... I will ping OPC again
13:25:25 <dape> ... show our ideas
13:25:34 <dape> ... maybe in a joint meeting
13:25:37 <dape> MMC: +1
13:25:57 <mlagally_> ml: +1
13:26:25 <dape> Kaz: Yes, let's go in this direction
13:26:28 <dape> ack mlagally_
13:26:31 <dape> ack kaz
13:26:33 <dape> q?
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13:26:47 <dape> SK: Okay, will do that the next weeks
13:26:55 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Updates on the possible new Architecture call slot?
13:27:05 <dape> MMC: Conclusion on timeslots?
13:27:20 <dape> ML: Need to check Doodle
13:27:32 <dape> ... will look at it in tomorrows Arch call
13:27:46 <dape> MMC: Note: we are thinking about 2 slots
13:27:53 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WoT Japanese CG updates
13:28:14 <dape> TM: Kick-off meeting has been decided
13:28:43 <dape> ... each task force (translation and use-case/outreach/deployment) will be discussed
13:28:47 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-jp/2021Dec/0000.html announcement on ML
13:28:52 <kaz> q+
13:29:13 <dape> Kaz: Mizushima-San send out email about it
13:29:45 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Smart Cities updates
13:29:57 <dape> Kaz: will talk to stakeholder in various countries
13:30:10 <kaz> s/send out/has sent out/
13:30:20 <kaz> s/stakeholder/stakeholders/
13:30:34 <kaz> q+
13:30:53 <dape> SUBTOPIC: W3C notes
13:31:14 <mlagally_> q+
13:31:17 <Mizushima> s/Kick-off meeting has been decided/ The agenda for Kick-off meeting has been decided/
13:31:22 <dape> DP: notes are not allowed to have normative statements or conformance section
13:31:36 <dape> MMC: Yes, Binding is somewhat in the same situation
13:31:40 <kaz> q?
13:31:58 <dape> ... Scripting is special, since we might turn Scripting into REC
13:32:14 <dape> Kaz: W3C can have conformance section
13:32:24 <dape> ... note itself is non-normative
13:32:50 <dape> ... suggest to remove conformance section
13:33:11 <dape> MMC: Need conformance section
13:33:18 <dape> ... special version
13:34:08 <dape> Kaz: Usually several notes which have conformance section state they are non-normative
13:34:29 <dape> ... will talk to PLH
13:34:48 <kaz> s/Usually //
13:34:56 <kaz> s/state/usually state/
13:35:09 <dape> DP: 2 points
13:35:21 <dape> ... 1. non-normative API does not make sense
13:35:31 <kaz> ack k
13:35:34 <kaz> q+
13:35:37 <dape> ... 2. Other notes like DID have normative statements also
13:35:38 <dape> q?
13:36:02 <dape> ML: Situation is confusing
13:36:19 <dape> ... getting rid of MUST etc
13:37:03 <McCool> q+
13:38:05 <kaz> ack ml
13:38:50 <mlagally_> q+
13:39:08 <dape> Kaz: IF we want to have normative statements, we need to be on REC track
13:39:11 <kaz> ack k
13:39:35 <dape> MMC: Should handle it in next charter
13:39:40 <dape> q+
13:39:45 <dape> ack McCool
13:39:47 <dape> ack mlagally_
13:40:05 <mlagally_> q+
13:41:25 <dape> ack dape
13:41:53 <dape> ML: We have charter
13:42:11 <dape> ... should not start moving notes to REC in the "end"
13:42:25 <dape> MMC: We are talking about "next" charter
13:42:54 <dape> TOPIC: Rechartering and Charter Extensions
13:43:10 <dape> SUBTOPIC: IG Rechartering
13:43:18 <dape> MMC: W3M approved charter
13:43:25 <dape> ... need 3 weeks
13:43:35 <dape> ... need announcement soon
13:43:48 <mlagally_> s/should not start moving notes to REC in the "end"/I would be very concerned if we try to move WG notes to the REC track at the end of the current charter period/
13:43:58 <dape> ... today we send out call for review
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13:44:20 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WG Charter Extension
13:44:23 <dape> MMC: similar problem
13:44:30 <dape> ... expires end of January
13:44:47 <dape> ... AC review takes 6 weeks due to holiday
13:44:54 <mlagally_> q+
13:45:03 <dape> ... we *might* have a gap
13:45:19 <dape> ... Question: 1 announcement or 2 ?
13:45:26 <dape> ... tight timing
13:45:30 <dape> q?
13:45:40 <dape> MMC: we meet today
13:45:47 <kaz> s/3 weeks/3 months to accommodate the AC Review procedure./
13:46:06 <dape> ... please ping AC reps to approve charters
13:46:21 <kaz> s/we meet/W3M meet/
13:46:29 <dape> ML: draft extension, what do you mean?
13:46:39 <dape> MMC: Yes, this is just the extension
13:46:53 <dape> ML: Same charter with changed dates?
13:47:01 <dape> MMC: Correct, a modification only
13:47:02 <kaz> q+
13:47:06 <kaz> ack ml
13:47:32 <dape> ... new charter will cover *new* deliverables
13:47:45 <dape> ... at the moment we collect ideas
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13:48:29 <dape> ML: new charter in Sep 2021?
13:48:41 <dape> MMC: Plan for July/August
13:48:54 <dape> s/Sep 2021?/Sep 2022?
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13:49:34 <dape> Kaz: Next charter for 2.0 in August ... we need to finalize charter in April/May
13:50:04 <dape> MMC: Okay, let's revisit this topic
13:50:07 <dape> q?
13:50:23 <kaz> s/May/May *IF* we really want to start our next charter period around July./
13:50:24 <kaz> ack k
13:50:29 <dape> TOPIC: Discuss decision process
13:50:45 <dape> MMC: We need to discuss it in more depth
13:50:55 <dape> ... once we have more bandwidth
13:51:01 <dape> TOPIC: Publications
13:51:20 <dape> MMC: Call for Resolution to publish updated WoT Use Cases and Requirements?
13:51:42 <dape> ML: Yes, we agreed on publication candidate yesterday
13:51:57 <dape> ... please have a look
13:52:27 <dape> MMC: 2 week announcement?
13:52:50 <dape> ... because of Christmas.. we might do it in January
13:53:10 <dape> ML: one more use-case call next week
13:53:53 <dape> TOPIC: Marketing
13:54:00 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WoT CG
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13:54:14 <dape> MMC: CG is not up-to-date anymore
13:54:30 <dape> ... need a *new* chair, since Dave is stuff member
13:54:50 <dape> ... CG useful for OpenDay and public announcement
13:54:51 <Ege> I am having computer problems where my cpu is used to 100% all the time and everyone's audio sounds choppy, I am trying my best
13:55:06 <dape> MMC: Ege volunteered to be CG chair
13:55:23 <dape> ... need 5 nominations from organization
13:55:58 <dape> ML: Propose call for chair
13:56:05 <dape> MMC: Okay, let's do that
13:56:14 <dape> ... maybe 2 chairs are even better
13:56:33 <dape> ... Decision: early next year
13:56:42 <dape> ... please volunteer
13:57:00 <dape> EK: Fine by me
13:57:14 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Wiki page improvements
13:57:23 <dape> MMC: will do some wiki clean-up
13:57:33 <dape> TOPIC: Testing
13:57:47 <dape> MMC: will discuss this the next hour
13:57:57 <dape> MMC: TD call today?
13:58:09 <dape> Ege: Yes, I will chair
13:58:14 <dape> TOPIC: Liaisons
13:58:22 <dape> SUBTOPIC: ITU-T SG20
13:58:31 <dape> MMC: Joint call now set for Feb 3 at 09:00 EDT / 15:00 CET, for 2h
13:58:38 <dape> -> https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/webinars/20220203/Pages/default.aspx
13:58:58 <dape> MMC: speakers from W3C WoT (proposing 60m total, McCool (15m), Kaz (15m), Sebastian (30m) to present)
14:00:23 <kaz> [main call adjourned; Plugfest call starts in 10 mins]
14:00:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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