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18:56:44 <Judy> agenda?
18:56:45 <trackbot> Meeting: WAI Coordination Call Teleconference
18:56:45 <trackbot> Date: 15 December 2021
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19:01:13 <janina> present+
19:01:31 <tzviya> present+
19:02:08 <LisaSeemanKest> present+
19:02:10 <stevelee> present+
19:02:40 <Judy> agenda+ Scribe, rssagent, agenda check -- any additions? (Please put present+ in IRC)
19:02:40 <Judy> agenda+ Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts
19:02:40 <Judy> agenda+ Checking: New work under development, status on cross-WAI review requests
19:02:40 <Judy> agenda+ Carried over: Scope of mental health issues in WAI work, not only through Coga TF
19:02:41 <Judy> agenda+ Carried over: Further discussion on WAI CC meeting frequency, focus, timing
19:03:45 <Judy> clear agenda
19:03:49 <Judy> agenda+ Scribe, rssagent, agenda check -- any additions? (Please put present+ in IRC)
19:03:49 <Judy> agenda+ Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts
19:03:49 <Judy> agenda+ Checking: New work under development, status on cross-WAI review requests
19:03:49 <Judy> agenda+ Carried over: Scope of mental health issues in WAI work, not only through Coga TF
19:03:50 <Judy> agenda+ Carried over: Further discussion on WAI CC meeting frequency, focus, timing
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19:04:45 <Judy> agenda+ XR community coordination
19:05:04 <George> present+
19:05:18 <Judy> present+
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19:05:48 <Joshue108_> agenda?
19:05:53 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
19:05:53 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Scribe, rssagent, agenda check -- any additions? (Please put present+ in IRC) -- taken up [from Judy]
19:05:58 <Joshue108_> scribe: Joshue108
19:06:08 <Joshue108_> JB: Checks agenda
19:06:30 <Joshue108_> No meeting on the 29th
19:06:38 <Joshue108_> Next meeting on Jan 12th
19:06:47 <Joshue108_> JS: Looks right
19:07:01 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
19:07:01 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts -- taken up [from Judy]
19:07:19 <Joshue108_> JB: We are almost into moratorium
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19:07:29 <Joshue108_> Anything coming out?
19:07:47 <Joshue108_> JN: We published last CR for ARIA last week, minor no announcement
19:07:51 <Joshue108_> JB: Thats fine
19:08:04 <Joshue108_> JS: CAPTCHA FPWD, published tomorrw?
19:08:07 <Joshue108_> JB: Don't know
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19:08:27 <Joshue108_> JS: Thought we have it cleared with Shawn - not confirmed
19:08:37 <Joshue108_> JB: Shawn will have more availability in Jan
19:08:59 <Joshue108_> JS: We were hoping to publish tomorrow-  can the messaging follow later?
19:09:14 <Joshue108_> JB: You can go ahead and we can follow on with messaging etc
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19:09:44 <Joshue108_> JB: Anything else?
19:10:08 <Joshue108_> I've a question for George on ePub
19:10:18 <Joshue108_> TS: George has more info
19:10:21 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:10:21 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Checking: New work under development, status on cross-WAI review requests -- taken up [from Judy]
19:10:46 <Joshue108_> JB: Just to check new work in development - anything that was not mentioned via announcements
19:11:00 <Joshue108_> And if there are any cross group review requests.
19:11:12 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:11:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, Judy
19:11:23 <Judy> zakim, close item 3
19:11:23 <Zakim> agendum 3, Checking: New work under development, status on cross-WAI review requests, closed
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19:11:25 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:11:25 <Zakim> 4. Carried over: Scope of mental health issues in WAI work, not only through Coga TF [from Judy]
19:11:35 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:11:35 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Carried over: Scope of mental health issues in WAI work, not only through Coga TF -- taken up [from Judy]
19:11:51 <Joshue108_> JB: Thanks Lisa for joining
19:12:07 <Joshue108_> JB: GIves overview of the scope of work that WAI is taking up.
19:12:25 <Joshue108_> Mental health is an area, that is a growing concern a la pandemic etc
19:12:45 <Joshue108_> There are relevant a11y accomodations, the COGA TF has been exploring
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19:13:11 <Joshue108_> We may need to come back to this - want to now get a sense of how people look at the issue.
19:13:24 <Joshue108_> LS: <gives background>
19:13:58 <Joshue108_> Discussed overlap between people with cognitive issues and depression
19:14:15 <Joshue108_> mood disorders, etc - Renaldo did a position paper, part of thesis
19:14:29 <Joshue108_> We wanted more things included but didn't have strong research
19:14:36 <Joshue108_> Now we are doing lit review
19:14:45 <Joshue108_> Broadening scope to a11y related issues
19:15:02 <Judy> q+
19:15:03 <Joshue108_> We need more volunteers - then after holiidays we will review what we have
19:15:39 <Joshue108_> We may update Content Usable
19:15:43 <Joshue108_> ack jud
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19:16:14 <Joshue108_> JB: <Relays experience working in AT service provision field>
19:17:12 <Joshue108_> <Discussed meds and temporary psychosis etc>
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19:18:11 <Joshue108_> LS: We've been working on this for 6 months
19:18:17 <Joshue108_> JB: Would like to see
19:18:21 <tzviya> q+
19:18:29 <Joshue108_> LS: We have a DB and lit review notes etc
19:18:33 <LisaSeemanKest> snapshot https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eKNrofGubnpQE6mO-vxmI-1MW5nA2LDj0LxebREPRGA/edit?resourcekey#gid=1686096268
19:18:33 <Joshue108_> JB: URLS?
19:19:01 <tzviya> q-
19:19:03 <Joshue108_> JB: Wonders about tie ins between ARIA, and Emerging Tech etc
19:19:06 <Joshue108_> ack tz
19:19:42 <Judy> ack ju
19:19:44 <Judy> ack tz
19:20:06 <Joshue108_> TZ:  DIscusses the experience of Long COVID and related syndromes
19:20:21 <Joshue108_> many are not believed when they say they have issues
19:20:30 <Joshue108_> Characterised as gaslighting
19:20:40 <Judy> q+
19:20:44 <Joshue108_> Wonder if this has come up in your research Lisa?
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19:21:34 <Joshue108_> LS: Not seen that - but we have seen many step processes difficult for those with mood disorders
19:21:38 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
19:21:50 <Joshue108_> Dark patterns etc exacerbate anxiety et
19:22:19 <Joshue108_> q?
19:22:25 <Joshue108_> ack judy
19:22:43 <Joshue108_> JB: Discusses Chronic Fatigue and ME
19:23:17 <Joshue108_> Screen fatigue is a real problem for this cohort
19:23:28 <Joshue108_> Long COVID has overlaps - similar supports may be needed
19:24:28 <Joshue108_> JB: Articulating user needs is tied to assembling solutions
19:24:48 <Joshue108_> JB: Curious, is this discussed in ePub a11y work?
19:25:07 <Joshue108_> Josh, Janina does this come up in emerging tech?
19:25:17 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
19:25:23 <Joshue108_> Or what kind of training or orientation is needed?
19:25:29 <Joshue108_> ack Lisa
19:25:50 <tzviya> q+ to ask how this might be implemented
19:26:00 <Joshue108_> LS: In Personsonalization TF we like to mark up things that are distracting or disturbing
19:26:18 <Joshue108_> Users may have content they dont want to appear in their feeds etc
19:26:37 <Joshue108_> Controlling disturbances also
19:26:43 <Judy> ack li
19:26:46 <Joshue108_> JB: Suppress a trigger?
19:27:20 <Joshue108_> LS: Do many audio pings also distracting.
19:27:25 <Joshue108_> ack tz
19:27:25 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask how this might be implemented
19:27:43 <Joshue108_> TZ: I'm not sure how we would implement this - rather vague
19:28:06 <Joshue108_> We are aware of some best practice but unless documented in WCAG etc, v hard to implement
19:28:25 <Joshue108_> JB: Wonders about who has spent time with Content Usable
19:28:42 <LisaSeemanKest> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/
19:29:03 <Joshue108_> GK: When I read it, it seems like good practices in terms of writing
19:29:32 <Joshue108_> There can be different content for diff groups, not on the UI side
19:30:13 <Joshue108_> JS: One place we see, is with the semantic content model from personalization - we have an implementation the ADA complaint form is being marked up.
19:30:23 <Joshue108_> We do need a renderer
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19:31:03 <Joshue108_> One thought from APA, is that we could apply Personalization markup to the Content usable doc would be a good idea.
19:31:05 <Joshue108_> JB: Ok
19:31:53 <Joshue108_> A distilled version of that doc is also being discussed
19:32:56 <Joshue108_> JS: We could get that lighter overview using these semantics.
19:33:10 <Joshue108_> LS: I've been involved in that discussion
19:33:48 <Joshue108_> JB: Asks if training on cognitive issues would be useful
19:34:07 <Joshue108_> TPAC shorts could be used
19:34:31 <Joshue108_> Anything else that would be helpful to your groups?
19:34:57 <Joshue108_> JB: Thanks Kim for her comments on the survey
19:35:13 <Joshue108_> KP: I pointed to GH issue
19:35:41 <Joshue108_> JB: Voice input user needs input
19:36:01 <Joshue108_> KP: <Discusses some details>
19:36:26 <Joshue108_> Having different speech users, fully dependent vs partial
19:36:38 <Joshue108_> But yes, I did the practical thing.
19:36:48 <Joshue108_> agenda?
19:38:07 <Joshue108_> KP: When doing mobile user examples - several of those are people who use speech only - they are accurate
19:38:29 <Judy> agenda order is 6, 5
19:39:21 <stevelee> scribe: stevelee
19:40:34 <stevelee> JB request from @@@ XR maps to multiple other groups
19:41:08 <stevelee> ... maybe rqtf and immersive
19:41:29 <stevelee> josh: how can we relate/work with these
19:41:49 <stevelee> ... other work on interacting with XR objects and how would keyboard a11y work
19:42:16 <stevelee> ... want sense of how to approach from JB
19:43:16 <stevelee> GK: publishing people would like a starting point for XR etc
19:43:47 <stevelee> josh - have a doc in progress on the wiki - will add to minutes
19:44:20 <stevelee> ... dynlan refers to XOR semantics module - that is really under developed
19:44:52 <Judy> q+
19:45:10 <tzviya> q+
19:45:11 <stevelee> ... do we want to work on it to be a "thing"
19:45:50 <stevelee> jB there's a lot in that coordination request - including an a11y object model for XR
19:45:52 <Joshue108_> Proof of concept for 3D interaction https://equalentry.com/interacting-with-objects-in-an-inclusive-virtual-environment/
19:46:04 <janina> https://wicg.github.io/aom/explainer.html
19:46:17 <stevelee> ... my plan is to give a warm response ASAP and then defer to Josh for details
19:46:23 <Joshue108_> XR Semantics Module https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/XR-Semantics-Module
19:46:32 <stevelee> .. then decide which groups to include - eg rqtf
19:47:16 <Joshue108_> WebXR Standards and Accessibility Architecture Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebXR_Standards_and_Accessibility_Architecture_Issues
19:47:49 <stevelee> TS: those communities interested in publishing and XR are working now - eg medical
19:48:11 <stevelee> ... European a11y act is pushing things nicely so they HAVE to include it
19:48:18 <Judy> q?
19:48:20 <Judy> ack j
19:48:22 <Judy> ack t
19:48:54 <stevelee> josh - @George please see URI on Architecture above ^^^
19:50:02 <stevelee> TS - talk to ada-rose canon
19:51:10 <stevelee> Josh - concerned about arcitectural decision may be being made and may be brittle in terms of a11y
19:51:42 <Judy> agenda?
19:51:57 <Judy> zakim, close item 6
19:51:57 <Zakim> agendum 6, XR community coordination, closed
19:51:58 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:51:58 <Zakim> 5. Carried over: Further discussion on WAI CC meeting frequency, focus, timing [from Judy]
19:52:08 <Judy> zakim, close item 4
19:52:08 <Zakim> agendum 4, Carried over: Scope of mental health issues in WAI work, not only through Coga TF, closed
19:52:10 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
19:52:10 <Zakim> 5. Carried over: Further discussion on WAI CC meeting frequency, focus, timing [from Judy]
19:52:14 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:52:14 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Carried over: Further discussion on WAI CC meeting frequency, focus, timing -- taken up [from Judy]
19:53:32 <stevelee> JB no word back from DSPA (signing org that does training)
19:54:29 <stevelee> ... any thoughts on frequency of meeting?
19:54:49 <stevelee> JN: every other week or else a long wait if you miss one
19:54:53 <stevelee> +1 to JN
19:55:26 <Ryladog> 12th
19:55:46 <stevelee> JB: first meeting on 2022 will be 15th Jan (?)
19:56:01 <LisaSeemanKest> thank you!
19:57:10 <Ryladog> Jan 15th is a Sat
19:57:26 <stevelee> TS: nice news - presenter @@ said WAI was a place you need to go to learn about a11y
19:57:46 <tzviya> s/presenter/Lainey Feingold
19:58:23 <Judy> rrsagent, make minutes v1
19:58:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/15-waicc-minutes.html Judy
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23:46:14 <Judy> present+ James
23:46:32 <Judy> scribe: Joshue108_
23:47:18 <Judy> regrets+ Becky, Chuck
23:48:45 <Judy> s/a la pandemic etc/a la pandemic etc, and the demographics were already huge
23:50:14 <Judy> s/temporary psychosis/how assistive tech can support accessibility with MH conditions/
23:53:23 <Judy> s/@@@ XR/XR Access for collaboration on a new project/
23:54:45 <Judy> s/dynlan/Dylan/
23:54:55 <Judy> rrsagent, make minutes v2
23:54:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/15-waicc-minutes.html Judy
23:57:04 <Judy> s/first meeting on 2022 will be 15th Jan (?)/first meeting on 2022 will be 15th Jan [Corrected] No, 12th Jan/
23:57:07 <Judy> rrsagent, make minutes v2
23:57:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/15-waicc-minutes.html Judy